[H_KARLUK]

Scoring: XIMP

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P        P     1♠     P
1nt    2♦    D     3♦
3♠      P      ?

*1NT F1 (1M>2M without intervene is 8-10HCP)

[JLOL]

4S don't really see any alternative. Partner was too weak to bid 4S the first time so slam is really remote.

[neilkaz]

I need to know more about your methods since I don't play FNT by a passed hand and with some PD's I use Rev Drury.

Can PD have a card limit raise on this sequence, or is PD showing a hand too weak to make a constructive raise?

[OleBerg]

4♠

Quite possibly the biggest wtp ever.

[the hog]

4S wtp?

[brianshark]

If pard can have a limit raise with support then I'm going to cue 4♣. If pard bids 4♥, I'll bid keycard and sign-off appropriately. If pard bids 4♦, I'll try 4♥ but pass if pard bids 4♠s.

Edit: I missed the double of 2♦. I'll just sign-off then so.

[neilkaz]

OK your PM to me says that PD has the weak raise, not good enough for a constructive raise so I'll just bid game and hope it makes.

[H_KARLUK]

Scoring: XIMP

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P       P   1♠    P
1NT   2♦   D   3♦ 
3♠   AP

Comments please.
Thanks.

[benlessard]

Partner is a passed hand so if you play drury he has 6-7 pts and 3 trumps. (highly unlikely hes got 2 trumps + extras + short diamonds. so you cna bid 4S.

If you dont play drury some old school play that with a limit you bid game and 3S show 6-7 pts. (this is terrible IMO)

The other school is that with 6-7 you pass and 3S show a limit (not pretty at MP)

If you dont know i think you should bid 4C. Since you pass 2D partner will not play you for a monster and will only go to slam with a perfect premium.

[jdonn]

Comments: Opener has to learn how scoring works in bridge. They pay more for games if you bid them.

[neilkaz]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 13 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

Scoring: XIMP

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P       P   1♠    P
1NT   2♦   D   3♦ 
3♠   AP

Comments please.
Thanks.

I would bid game here and expect to be at least 50/50 for opposite the worst trash PD could have for a weak raise (maybe 3 trumps and 4 HCP). Here PD has volunteered to bid 3♠ and inspite of your double he is not forced to bid 3♠ with absolute junk.

Opener's raise to 4♠ is really clear here !

[hrothgar]

Methods that require a Forcing NT response with 4 card support????
Wow...

I have what is probably a more basic question

I like take out double and all that, however, I would very much like to be able to hit overcalls after my partner's 1NT advance... Yes, the takeout double worked great on this hand (or should have worked great). Even so, I suspect that a penalty double (or at least a cooperative double) is likely to work better.

[maggieb]

hrothgar, on Feb 13 2009, 12:06 PM, said:

I have what is probably a more basic question

I like take out double and all that, however, I would very much like to be able to hit overcalls after my partner's 1NT advance... Yes, the takeout double worked great on this hand (or should have worked great). Even so, I suspect that a penalty double (or at least a cooperative double) is likely to work better.

Well, you didn't ask any questions but I'm pretty sure my answer would be no!

[mikeh]

H: this post contains elements that caused you some grief earlier.

1. You apparently pm'd another poster with the information that responder's 3♠ showed a weak hand... when you play unusual methods (very few play 1N as forcing by a passed hand), make sure that you explain the methods in your post. If your answer is that you don't know what is 'normal' in these fora, then my advice is to explain every call.. that way you avoid frustrating people who want to answer

2. The problem was not particularly interesting even absent the info that responder has a weak hand... yes, maybe slam was possible, and some posters were willing to explore it, but most saw it as a wtp 4♠. But that wasn't even the reason you posted it... you posted it because someone passed 3♠!

Passing 3♠, even knowing that partner has a weak hand, is so idiotic that it is truly silly to post the hand in the A/E forum. Whoever passed is not remotely an advanced or expert player. While, according to the methods that you chose not to describe, 3♠ is 'weak', it has to show something... responder was allowed to pass 3♦ without 3+ spades... so I very much doubt that any intermediate would pass 3♠.

[Free]

Agree with Mikey, this is nowhere near A/E. Pass is an absolute noobish bid, this is a 4♠ wtp.

[MFA]

I'm truly sorry, but...

LOL

[H_KARLUK]

MFA, on Feb 14 2009, 12:02 AM, said:

I'm truly sorry, but...

LOL

I see. Really. But I also hope you understand my position. Th hand played in an international festival some years ago. (As far as i read translated article.) Contestants at table were certified as World Class. (I have full respect for their expertise and for sure personally no doubt they might think something different)

I have no idea about their thoughts and conditions at that moment. So I only wondered our forum members remarks.

Say there's not a translation error and th names i checked are correct. Maybe they were under a time pressure or tired in a long marathon etc. In fact I would also try 4♠, but th reason i posted here is simply what would be in general a rationale approach.

Thanks.
Hamdi

[the hog]

I understand 1NT - I think this is in fact the style played by Kwiecken and Pzcwola (sp).
Passing 3s is a mental abberation.