[haver]

All vuln - IMP

Sp KQ7,
H Q6,
D QJ82,
Cl K653

opp bids 1Cl - what is ur bid ?

1. if partner was dealer and passed
2. if opp was dealer and 1Cl is the first bid

anybody for the dbl or rather pass or what?

[gwnn]

Whatever it means, it doesn't mean this hand.

[jillybean]

Its taken a while but Im learning to pass, good things happen.

[jdonn]

You want to pass. Doubling on a minimum strength hand with shortness in at least one unbid major is something you would quickly come to regret.

[neilkaz]

Very easy pass here.

[Mbodell]

I think a number of beginner/intermediate- players have real problems on this type of hand. In general a problem I've noticed with players is they think about what their hand is worth without the opposition bidding, and then don't properly adjust it when the opposition bids.

So you were thinking I have an opening bid, I'll be bidding something. And then when the opponents bid, you think "what bid should I make that tells partner about my opening hand" instead of "what has the auction to date, including the opponents bidding, told me and how should I re-evaluating my hand". Here the proper bid is a pass, and it isn't really that close. I try to drive into one of my partners (who has finally come around) that the magic green cards (pass in the bidding box) results in good things on hands like this.

If you aren't strong enough to overcall 1nt, and you don't have your own suit to bid, and you don't have at least both majors (and preferably shortness in opponents suit), then you should pass.

[qwery_hi]

Mbodell, on Feb 8 2009, 04:31 AM, said:

I think a number of beginner/intermediate- players have real problems on this type of hand. In general a problem I've noticed with players is they think about what their hand is worth without the opposition bidding, and then don't properly adjust it when the opposition bids.

So you were thinking I have an opening bid, I'll be bidding something. And then when the opponents bid, you think "what bid should I make that tells partner about my opening hand" instead of "what has the auction to date, including the opponents bidding, told me and how should I re-evaluating my hand". Here the proper bid is a pass, and it isn't really that close. I try to drive into one of my partners (who has finally come around) that the magic green cards (pass in the bidding box) results in good things on hands like this.

If you aren't strong enough to overcall 1nt, and you don't have your own suit to bid, and you don't have at least both majors (and preferably shortness in opponents suit), then you should pass.

In fact I would go further and say that pass should be a routine , wtp-ish bid on these hands after RHO opens 1c and should not take 10 s hesitation and then pass.

[mtvesuvius]

This is a very easy pass, double gives away the location of the majority of the cards and you have no major suit support, all this points to pass.

[mike777]

haver, on Feb 7 2009, 07:02 PM, said:

All vuln - IMP

Sp  KQ7,
H    Q6,
D    QJ82,
Cl    K653

opp bids 1Cl - what is ur bid ?

1. if partner was dealer and passed
2. if opp was dealer and 1Cl is the first bid

anybody for the dbl or rather pass or what?

I am a bit baffled with something other than pass at any level of bridge.
Note I bid with 4c here more than most on forum.

[skjaeran]

This is a very easy pass. Anything else never touched my mind with hands like this.

I expect students to be taught this pretty early.

[helene_t]

Mbodell, on Feb 8 2009, 10:31 AM, said:

I think a number of beginner/intermediate- players have real problems on this type of hand.  In general a problem I've noticed with players is they think about what their hand is worth without the opposition bidding, and then don't properly adjust it when the opposition bids.

Maybe we are saying the same in two different ways. But I wouldn't emphasize that the strength of the hand has decreased because of RHO's opening. ♣K is probably well-placed so the hand is still worth 13 points.

But our objective has become different because of RHO's opening. If RHO had passed, our 13 points (in combination with the fact that RHO has less than 12) would have meant that we were quite likely to want to play 3NT, so we need to exchange accurate information with partner about our HCPs.

RHO's opening bid makes that less likely. What becomes more important is now:
- To find a fit so we can compete for the partscore
- To tell partner which suit to lead
- To jam the opponents' auction

True, we are still interested in bidding good games after RHO opened, and for that reason we can for example bid 1NT with (15)16-18 points. But with a balanced hand with length in RHO's suit and less than 15 points, we are happy to defend unless p can bid something voluntarily.