[jdonn]

Lobowolf, on Jan 28 2009, 07:36 PM, said:

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It's a little odd that during the campaign, it was Obama supporters most vocally proclaiming that he's a Christian, and now it seems they're not.

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That was only proclaimed in defense of accusations that he was a Muslim. Now that he is not campaigning it doesn't matter any more. I don't find that odd.

True...nothing "odd" per se about talking out of both sides of one's mouth when an election is in play. Poor choice of words.

I don't know what you mean by this. I didn't mean anyone who believed it was true during the election no longer does. I just meant people aren't talking about it any more. Maybe you can elaborate but I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Lobowolf]

jdonn, on Jan 28 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

Lobowolf, on Jan 28 2009, 07:36 PM, said:

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It's a little odd that during the campaign, it was Obama supporters most vocally proclaiming that he's a Christian, and now it seems they're not.

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That was only proclaimed in defense of accusations that he was a Muslim. Now that he is not campaigning it doesn't matter any more. I don't find that odd.

True...nothing "odd" per se about talking out of both sides of one's mouth when an election is in play. Poor choice of words.

I don't know what you mean by this. I didn't mean anyone who believed it was true during the election no longer does. I just meant people aren't talking about it any more. Maybe you can elaborate but I have no idea what you are talking about.

Sorry; my turn to misread a post. I agree with you.

[Al_U_Card]

helene_t, on Jan 28 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

Al, couldn't you open a topic about chemistry next time? Or even better, bridge?

I was trying to bridge the gap by seeing what kind of chemistry would develop if I took the obvious and polarized it.

So, mathematically, how does 50% black and 50% white become black? (Especially since he acts so white?)

[Lobowolf]

Al_U_Card, on Jan 28 2009, 09:00 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 28 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

Al, couldn't you open a topic about chemistry next time? Or even better, bridge?

I was trying to bridge the gap by seeing what kind of chemistry would develop if I took the obvious and polarized it.

So, mathematically, how does 50% black and 50% white become black? (Especially since he acts so white?)

We're progressing... Homer Plessey (of "Plessey v. Ferguson - the Supreme Court decision that said "separate but equal" is ok (much later overturned by Brown vs. Board of Education) - fame) was "black," and he was only 12 1/2% black.

[kenberg]

Al_U_Card, on Jan 28 2009, 09:00 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 28 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

Al, couldn't you open a topic about chemistry next time? Or even better, bridge?

I was trying to bridge the gap by seeing what kind of chemistry would develop if I took the obvious and polarized it.

So, mathematically, how does 50% black and 50% white become black? (Especially since he acts so white?)

It's tempting to take up the challenge:

Mathematically how can one X chromosome and one Y chromosome make you a man, especially since you act like a girl?

And did I mention about your mama?

Gentlemen, start your engines.

[ASkolnick]

I'll put myself in the fight.

What does it matter if he is
Black/White
Christian/Muslim
Gay/Straight
etc.?

If you voted him into office (I didn't), hopefully whoever did voted because they thought he would do the best job for the country regardless of any sort of demographic.

That should be the only reason you voted for him.

Honestly, as a Republican (although I admit I am much more Libertarian), I think he has made some very shrewd moves so far. But not because he is any of the characteristics above, but because I like so far his actions. They may seem minimal, but I think his approach has been good so far.

[Al_U_Card]

Don't forget that you have had 8 years of recent idiocy to compare it to...

You will never have a "black" man as president as there will always be a white component somewhere. An intelligent and capable man....that is something to be hoped for and sought whenever possible.

These people (usually) don't get where they are by luck or by design (W is the exception that proves the rule) but rather by circumstance and endeavor.

Mitt and Mike were intelligent. So were Hil and John. It was not to be their time. Will Obama rise to the occasion? He has a tough road ahead but I will back intelligence and capability any day.

[Lobowolf]

Al_U_Card, on Jan 29 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

You will never have a "black" man as president as there will always be a white component somewhere.

ok, I have to ask. I tried to fight the urge, but I failed. What is a "white component"?

[Al_U_Card]

How black was

MLK?
Ralph Abernathy?
Jesse Jackson?
Colin Powell?
Condi Rice?
Bill Clinton? (The blackest prez b4 Obama.... )

Are we talking genes? heritage? upbringing? socialization?

[Lobowolf]

THey're all as black as anyone else who is (was) black, except Clinton, who isn't at all. With all due respect to Toni Morrison.

[kenberg]

That Obama he call hisself a black man but he be just as white as that other Boss that sung that song at the inauguration. Where that Obama man live? Folks don't call that no black house. they call it the white house. And you go see him, you won't be gitten no ribs neither. You all see that menu? Prawns and scallop chowder? Lordy. That's white man's food. He may have married a fine sister but he ain't no brother.

[Lobowolf]

kenberg, on Jan 29 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

That Obama he call hisself a black man but he be just as white as that other Boss that sung that song at the inauguration. Where that Obama man live? Folks don't call that no black house. they call it the white house. And you go see him, you won't be gitten no ribs neither. You all see that menu? Prawns and scallop chowder? Lordy. That's white man's food. He may have married a fine sister but he ain't no brother.

Thanks for not including anything about his huge package that we keep hearing about. Like Eddie Murphy said..."If you're gonna believe the myths, believe 'em ALL."

[kenberg]

Lobowolf, on Jan 29 2009, 07:14 PM, said:

kenberg, on Jan 29 2009, 07:06 PM, said:

That Obama  he call hisself a black man but he be just as white as that other Boss that sung that song at the inauguration. Where that Obama man live? Folks don't call that no black house. they call it the white house. And you go see him, you won't be gitten no ribs neither. You all see that menu? Prawns and scallop chowder? Lordy. That's white man's food. He may have married a fine sister but he ain't no brother.

Thanks for not including anything about his huge package that we keep hearing about. Like Eddie Murphy said..."If you're gonna believe the myths, believe 'em ALL."

Perhaps proving that I am not totally lacking in taste!

[jdonn]

This reminded me of this thread.

Barack Obama said:

"I was not raised in a particularly religious household. I had a father who was born a Muslim but became an atheist, grandparents who were non-practicing Methodists and Baptists, and a mother who was skeptical of organized religion, even as she was the kindest, most spiritual person I’ve ever known. She was the one who taught me as a child to love, and to understand, and to do unto others as I would want done.

I didn’t become a Christian until many years later, when I moved to the South Side of Chicago after college. It happened not because of indoctrination or a sudden revelation, but because I spent month after month working with church folks who simply wanted to help neighbors who were down on their luck – no matter what they looked like, or where they came from, or who they prayed to. It was on those streets, in those neighborhoods, that I first heard God’s spirit beckon me. It was there that I felt called to a higher purpose – His purpose. "

[kenberg]

I may or may not come to have regrets about voting for Obama. However it goes, neither his race nor his religion will have anything to do with it. Actually his religious views don't appear to be all that far from mine. While I find most theology somewhere between boring and bizarre, the religious spirit of working for the good of people is often seen and is very admirable. He appears to be addressing himself to this aspect of Christianity and I very much agree.