[Hanoi5]

I'm of the idea that:

1m 1M
3m

should be forcing and show at least 17 HCP.

I know a hand as:

♠Kx
♥Ax
♦AKQTxx
♣KJx

could be opened with 2NT or bid 1♦-1M-3NT. Burt how about more unbalanced hands? What if the minor is not THAT good?

How do you play it?

[kenrexford]

1♣-P-1♠-P-3♣ = strongish, but NF (16-ish?)
1♦-P-1♠-P-3♦ = same

1minor-P-1♠-P-3NT = gambling

1♦-P-1♠-P-3♣ = forcing, could be artificial (with long diamonds and too good to make a strongish NF bid)

1♣-P-1♠-P-2♦ = forcing, could be artificial (like 1♦...3♣)

[mtvesuvius]

1♣ - 1♠ - 3♣: 16-17; NF; (Can be asking for 1 1/2 stoppers outside of ♣)
1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦: Reverse; 5+♣ 4+♦ 16+ HCP... Forcing

1♦ - 1♠ - 3♣: Natural Strong Jump Shift... Forcing
1♦ - 1♠ - 3♦: 16-17; NF; (Can be asking for 1 1/2 stoppers outside of ♦)

1m - 1M - 2NT: 17-18 HCP
(1NT opener: 14-16)
(2NT opener: 19-21)
(3NT opener: Gambling; No outside A/K)
1m - 1M - 3NT: Gambling with Some outside A/Ks

A Hand such as:
♠Kx
♥Ax
♦AKQTxx
♣KJx
Should always be opened 2♣ imo. Remove a King and this is a wtp 2NT opener.

The Jump Rebid should never show 17+ IMO.

[peachy]

You could agree with partner that 1m-1M-3m is forcing and try it out!
This agreement would probably give a little trouble when you have a hand that wants to invite instead of force. Find a way around the new hole in system [ = what to do with invites]. You could go conservative with the invites at MPs but at IMPs it could be costly. The frequency of opener holding a long minor AND a gameforcing hand is not too great, while the frequency of long minor with invitational hand I think is greater, but neither is very frequent.

[mike777]

Hanoi5, on Jan 29 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

I'm of the idea that:

1m 1M
3m

should be forcing and show at least 17 HCP.

I know a hand as:

♠Kx
♥Ax
♦AKQTxx
♣KJx

could be opened with 2NT or bid 1♦-1M-3NT. Burt how about more unbalanced hands? What if the minor is not THAT good?

How do you play it?

I agree 1minor...jump rebid in minor can be quite wide ranging. I at least try and make them promise a stiff or void which means I very often need to open or rebid nt without shortness.

On your example....1d planning on rebidding 3nt, not quite enough for 2c opener and I open 2c alot more than most in forum.

In rare cases with long minor and shortness I may need to jump shift or reverse into a 3 card suit.

[ASkolnick]

I think you could play 1♦-1M-3♦ as forcing by doing the following:

Play 1D-1M-2C as forcing for one round.

You would have some choices with a minimal 2 suited minors:

1) Use a 2N Opening (Don't know your system)
2) Understand you may get too high in clubs. Remember 1D-1M-2C-2D is still passable.
3) Open more solidly when you have both minors.

[ArtK78]

I know of at least one pair in my area that plays the jump rebid of a minor suit opening as forcing. I have not discussed with them the way that they handle other hands which would normally be handled by a nonforcing jump rebid.

I have pointed out in these fora a lot of hands that give players fits that would have been easy to handle if they played the jump minor suit rebid as forcing.

[Fluffy]

I think we had the same discusion earlier this week.

I use the simple aproach that 2NT rebid by opener is GF. And althou normally it is 18-19 balanced, some strong single suited hands are possible.

Others prefer to use a fake reverse on a fragment (or in diamonds if avaible).

[junyi_zhu]

Hanoi5, on Jan 29 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

I'm of the idea that:

1m 1M
3m

should be forcing and show at least 17 HCP.

I know a hand as:

♠Kx
♥Ax
♦AKQTxx
♣KJx

could be opened with 2NT or bid 1♦-1M-3NT. Burt how about more unbalanced hands? What if the minor is not THAT good?

How do you play it?

if you really like science, you can do this:
1D 1H
2S: artificial, relay to 2N:
2N: relayed
3D: one suiter, gf. other bids, natural gf and natural S.

1D 1S
2H:
2S: relayed.
3D: natural, gf.
2N: true reverse, minimum.
3x: tends to be natural and true reverse.

similarly, you can play 1C 1x 2x+1 or 1C 1x 2D to include gf one suiter.