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#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2009-January-21, 05:46

Scoring: IMP

2♥-2♠-ps-??

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Posted 2009-January-21, 05:52

Pass. I am borderline on values but the facts that 2♠ is likely to be a fine spot and that I don't have a convenient bid make me pass.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 06:41

With a pick up, I try 2 NT.
When partner takes this as natural and we fail in 4 Spade or 3 NT, I call him an idiot, 2 NT shows OBVIOUSLY the minors.
When we make, everything is fine and I am a hero.

When he bids a minor after 2 NT and we miss a game, I call him an idiot, because 2 NT was natural.

With a nice partner, I try3 ♠, not perfect, but everybody can bid with perfect hands. Passing is missing too much.
He may have AKQJxx,xx,Ax,Qxx and we play 2 Spade + 4.

With my regular partner 2 NT shows a fit here- or a non forcing hand in a minor. So I try 3 HEart. We play 3 NT when partner has a stopper, else I try 4 Spade.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 06:51

Codo, on Jan 21 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

With my regular partner 2 NT shows a fit here- or a non forcing hand in a minor. So I try 3 HEart. We play 3 NT when partner has a stopper, else I try 4 Spade.

I'm missing the 'so...' part of this. If 3C shows a forcing hand with clubs, what's wrong with that? Bid 3C, raise diamonds if partner bids them, pass 3S or 3NT, bid 3S over 3H.

If you don't think you are strong enough to act at all, then pass. But If I'm going to bid (and I would bid) then 3C seems obvious.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 10:36

Codo, on Jan 21 2009, 07:41 AM, said:

With a pick up, I try 2 NT.
When partner takes this as natural and we fail in 4 Spade or 3 NT, I call him an idiot, 2 NT shows OBVIOUSLY the minors.

I can't WAIT to see what he will call you. :D

I will bid 3♣ like Frances.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 13:17

I don't like the looks of my K of ♥ but I will also bid 3♣
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Posted 2009-January-21, 16:06

I'll bid. Whether it's 2NT, 3♣ or 3♦, I dunno.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 16:45

As fun as Roland's ideas sounds, I'll bid 3♣.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 18:02

Good problem, I would pass.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 23:36

3C. You can easily have a game here.
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Posted 2009-January-21, 23:40

3♣ only because if you sim this you'll find pard will have some heart length and that your ♥K isn't completely wasted and you might be making 3N on power.
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Posted 2009-January-22, 00:59

Phil, on Jan 22 2009, 12:40 AM, said:

3♣ only because if you sim this you'll find pard will have some heart length and that your ♥K isn't completely wasted and you might be making 3N on power.

How do you sim this hand? I.e. how do you constrain responder's hand? I never know how often responders pass with 3 or 4 trumps in this situation. (I know bridge books say you raise with 3 or 4 trumps, but if LHO passed with trump length here, he took away our best bid with this shapde, i.e. responsive double.)
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Posted 2009-January-22, 01:04

orlam, on Jan 22 2009, 01:59 AM, said:

Phil, on Jan 22 2009, 12:40 AM, said:

3♣ only because if you sim this you'll find pard will have some heart length and that your ♥K isn't completely wasted and you might be making 3N on power.

How do you sim this hand? I.e. how do you constrain responder's hand? I never know how often responders pass with 3 or 4 trumps in this situation. (I know bridge books say you raise with 3 or 4 trumps, but if LHO passed with trump length here, he took away our best bid with this shapde, i.e. responsive double.)

Only n00bs pass with these hands. You play in stronger games than that.

Right?
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Posted 2009-January-22, 01:09

orlam, on Jan 22 2009, 01:59 AM, said:

Phil, on Jan 22 2009, 12:40 AM, said:

3♣ only because if you sim this you'll find pard will have some heart length and that your ♥K isn't completely wasted and you might be making 3N on power.

How do you sim this hand? I.e. how do you constrain responder's hand? I never know how often responders pass with 3 or 4 trumps in this situation. (I know bridge books say you raise with 3 or 4 trumps, but if LHO passed with trump length here, he took away our best bid with this shapde, i.e. responsive double.)

I think that raising with all or even most hands with 3 hearts is a dumb strategy, but I would probably never pass with 4 hearts (but think that bidding 4H with all or even most hands with 4 hearts is a REALLY dumb strategy).
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Posted 2009-January-22, 01:38

Agree with Frances except that over 3H (wich should show half a stopper imo) i bid 3Nt.
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Posted 2009-January-22, 01:56

cnszsun, on Jan 21 2009, 06:46 AM, said:

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2♥-2♠-ps-??

3c no problem yet.
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