[kfay]

Scoring: MP

(1♥)-2♣-(4♦)-5♦
(5♥)-6♦-(6♥)-?

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Bad opponents, expert partner.

Your choice?
Edit: 6♦ instead of 5♦???!

What if you were 2-2 in the blacks?

[Fluffy]

Early in the morning, and I am thinkng and thinking and thinking, and come to no conclusion.

At this vulnerability, partner is more likelly to bid 6♦ to defend than to make, this makes it less likelly that he has ♣A and ♦A, even with this cards our troubles ain't over yet.

Chaces of opponents making this contract are slim, partner is maked with spade values of he doesn't have ♣A.

I think I will double hating it.

[jillybean]

Do it.

[whereagles]

Pass. Unless pard can't produce a club trick, this is likely to go down.

[mtvesuvius]

I'm with Fluffy, but I am awake saying this .

[Hanoi5]

Yeah, double. I have a trick and I expect partner to have another.

[kfay]

To be fair I posted this problem with the question in mind 'do you sac?'

If we're beating this, do you think double is necessary? I'm wondering what the MP +/- from the double could possibly look like.

[mtvesuvius]

kfay, on Jan 16 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

To be fair I posted this problem with the question in mind 'do you sac?'

If we're beating this, do you think double is necessary? I'm wondering what the MP +/- from the double could possibly look like.

This is probably already a top or bottom situation, depending on the field. I think that X for the extra 100 or so won't make a difference, but nor will -1660. So, I double because I'm pretty sure we can beat this, and my scorecard loks better with +200, instead of +100 .

[suokko]

I think this queston also depends a lot about how sounds overcaller your partner is.

If holding like xx xxx Axx KQJxx is routine overcall for your partner I would suspect 6!H is easy make. But if partner is sound overcaller I would just take my sure plus and double for fair MP result. (This seems like hand where many might bid over in both directions and I hope 7♦ isn't on for our side)

If partner may easily have the first hand type I will pass and let partner decide what he wants to do with his junk overcall

[fachiru]

As both 3♦ and 4♦ would be splinters in support of ♥ on this sequece, it sounds like the actual 4♦ bid means void.
If this is correct (I'd ask the opps to be sure), then I'm bidding the grand; it may well make plus you only live once.
On a lesser distribution (as OP suggested) or uncertainty about opps' 4♦, I hit 6♥.

[Phil]

I'd bid.

Hands like ♠xx ♥x ♦Axxx ♣Axxxxx (and this isn't an overcall) give us our grand and we are just nicking 6♥ a trick.

Something like ♠xx ♥x ♦Axxx ♣KQxxxx (many wouldn't overcall (I might)) and we are -1/-2 depending on the lead, but pard's ♦A lead could easily let in 6♥.

[nige1]

kfay, on Jan 16 2009, 12:17 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

(1♥)-2♣-(4♦)-5♦
(5♥)-6♦-(6♥)-?
Bad opponents, expert partner.
Your choice?
What if you were 2-2 in the blacks?

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• With the actual hand, IMO, _P = 10, _X = 8, 7♦ = 5.
  
• With 2-2 in the blacks, I would be slightly more inclined to double.

Double is sometimes necessary to prevent partner from surrendering a ruff and a sluff.

[Fluffy]

you expect too much fit from partner, The expected lenght for the 5♦ bid is around 7.8. Parter could easilly sacrifice on doubleton, specialy if he has slow values in clubs.

Double can give us a lot of MPs if partner has ♣A and we happen to beat 400s, or why not? 550/650

[rogerclee]

lol at doubling to protect our plus score

[brianshark]

TBH, I'm fairly confident 6♥ isn't making. But I think the grand could well make. And while midding may turn a small plus into a small minus, if either 6♥ or 7♦ is making, we gain a bunch by bidding. This is a tough choice.

Having checked the form of scoring, I see it's match-points, so I think I'll double and take my plus.

[kfay]

Here's the full deal (i think)

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If you pass in tempo partner says he will bid 7♦. If you double or hitch pass, you get a 0. -100 (most likely) is worth about average. Top is +1090, which 3 people were in.