[jdonn]

nige1, on Jan 12 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Jdonn's and Cascade's theories are interesting but would they rebid 3N with say ♠9xxx ♥x ♦8xxx ♣7xxx

I would bid 3♠, which is a terrible bid, as is 4♥, as is 3NT. Sometimes on bidding forums you hold 13 deuces and have no bid to make that is in any way good, what do you want me to tell you?

[nige1]

jdonn, on Jan 13 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

I would bid 3♠, which is a terrible bid, as is 4♥, as is 3NT. Sometimes on bidding forums you hold 13 deuces and have no bid to make that is in any way good, what do you want me to tell you?

That our bidding styles differ when Partner has shown a GF single-suiter in ♥?
With no specified agreement, a Yarborough and a 4 card ♠ suit, Jdonn would bid a gutsy 3♠ .
No wonder Jdonn is such an accomplished card-player
Without prior agreement, 4♥ seems a better candidate for a catch-all weak bid

[Apollo81]

nige1, on Jan 13 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 13 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

I would bid 3♠, which is a terrible bid, as is 4♥, as is 3NT. Sometimes on bidding forums you hold 13 deuces and have no bid to make that is in any way good, what do you want me to tell you?

That our bidding styles differ when Partner has shown a GF single-suiter in ♥?
With no specified agreement, a Yarborough and a 4 card ♠ suit, Jdonn would bid a gutsy 3♠ .
No wonder Jdonn is such an accomplished card-player
Without prior agreement, 4♥ seems a better candidate for a catch-all weak bid

The point of the 3♠ bid is that sometimes partner will bid 3NT, which we can happily pass. On the OP hand we don't mind declaring 3NT since at least we have a few queens and we don't mind if the opponents lead one of those suits.

[FrancesHinden]

I have been keeping an eye out for the results on this type of hand for a while, and my current theory is that it is generally right to play in 4H on this type of hand, not 3NT. There's the additional point that hasn't been mentioned that the strong hand is declaring hearts while the weak hand is declaring NT (edit: just seen jdonn has noticed that with his brave 3S bid).

I can't claim yet to have proved my theory is correct as these hands aren't very frequent, but my sample of 3 hands so far supports it.

On this occasion 4H is, I think, the right spot. Partner has

AK10
AQJ98x
AK
xx

I don't think partner is going to pull 3NT. Or rather, if he is, you might as well play 3NT as conventional.

I do appreciate the concern that 4H might sound more encouraging the 3NT; however if partner is party to your theory about the right game, that won't happen. In fact, nige1's suggestion that 3NT should show more values than 4H, rather than less, has some sense to it, although we haven't discussed that.

[whereagles]

3NT > 4♥ does follow the fast arrival principle

[Fluffy]

If oyu want something conventional, why don't you reverse 3♠ and 3NT?