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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-January-04, 14:32

Playing with a pick up partner this auction appeared:

W - N - E - S
1♣-X-XX-2♣

what is going on?
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Posted 2009-January-04, 14:45

If I had to guess, I'd guess moderate values (7-9 ish) with at least 4-4 majors. Certainly not a bid I'd ever want to face though.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 16:15

Assuming everybody's sane: 44 majors, 4-7 hcp or so.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 16:20

The same as if RHO had passed. Maybe this is not best, but it is just so easy for your opponents to be light (or psyching). There was a similar MSC problem in the last year or two that dealt with a situation like this, I believe most people who mentioned the cuebid said that they played it this way.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 16:32

Not natural!!!

North should bid a suit and south is in control.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 17:24

If pass would show no preference (rather than being a penalty pass), natural would make a lot of sense.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 17:26

Can I have my hand?

Since we are talking about a pick up, do we have an
indication, that he knowes, what he is doing?

Anyway, it is not natural, and I would look at my hand,
and usally my hand tells me, what to bid.

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Posted 2009-January-04, 17:28

cherdano, on Jan 5 2009, 12:24 AM, said:

If pass would show no preference (rather than being a penalty pass), natural would make a lot of sense.

With that hand, why can't you just pass and then bid 2♣?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-January-04, 18:44

gnasher, on Jan 4 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

cherdano, on Jan 5 2009, 12:24 AM, said:

If pass would show no preference (rather than being a penalty pass), natural would make a lot of sense.

With that hand, why can't you just pass and then bid 2♣?

Well, you can also pass very well with almost all the hands suggested here. Bidding a natural 2♣ right away makes it a lot harder for opponents to sort out their muddy redouble hand.

I think my preferences are
- strong cuebid (as Roger, I have seen many dubious redoubles, and as jumps are already preemptive we need at least one bid to show strength)
- natural
- both majors constructive
in this order.
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Posted 2009-January-05, 03:49

to Uwe: you hold ♠J63 ♥AQJ ♦A10752 ♣J5
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Posted 2009-January-05, 13:48

I play that a pass in front of the opener shows no suit to show. Under these circumstances it is nice to play it natural for Arends reasons.
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Posted 2009-January-06, 02:34

2♣ can't be the same as if RHO has passed if rdbl shows 10+ HCP, because with a passed RHO 2♣ is FG with any type of hand, and now opps clearly have the better part of the deck.

I like what manudude03 said: both majors although with 5/5 I could even be without high cards.
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Posted 2009-January-06, 02:39

Fluffy, on Jan 5 2009, 12:49 PM, said:

to Uwe: you hold ♠J63 ♥AQJ ♦A10752 ♣J5

Is it forbidden to pass with this hand, or am I scared the 1♣ redouble will be passed by everyone?
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Posted 2009-January-06, 02:53

ochinko that is the hand that doubled.
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Posted 2009-January-06, 03:26

Fluffy, on Jan 6 2009, 11:53 AM, said:

ochinko that is the hand that doubled.

Oops, sry B) It looked like there were too many points all around. :)
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Posted 2009-January-07, 10:19

It means that one of the first three calls was a psyche.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 10:44

Apollo81, on Jan 7 2009, 11:19 AM, said:

It means that one of the first three calls was a psyche.

That is a possibility. Or everyone is upgrading their hand and I have the remaining 10 HCP.

The 2♣ bid is equivalent to turning the cube to 8 (a re-redouble for those of you with no backgammon background).
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