[mtvesuvius]

Playing IMPs, NV vs V, you pick up:

♠ Q43
♥ KQJ6542
♦ --------
♣ 852

Partner opens 1♠, and you play 2/1, but have not discussed any sequences...

What do you bid?


AJK

[rogerclee]

2h

[jdonn]

Compensating for your recent 15 card hand?

[TimG]

I throw'em in and ask for a redeal.

[mtvesuvius]

rogerclee, on Dec 25 2008, 05:16 PM, said:

2h

and when partner bids 3♦? or 2NT or 3NT or 3♣ or forces to slam?

[mtvesuvius]

jdonn, on Dec 25 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

Compensating for your recent 15 card hand?

Yes... another typo... Sorry

[rogerclee]

mtvesuvius, on Dec 25 2008, 02:22 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Dec 25 2008, 05:16 PM, said:

2h

and when partner bids 3♦? or 2NT or 3NT or 3♣ or forces to slam?

I actually didn't notice I had 12 cards, but I'm pretty sure I'm still bidding 2♥.

I'm playing this hand in hearts with all likelihood.

[mike777]

mtvesuvius, on Dec 25 2008, 04:11 PM, said:

Playing IMPs, NV vs V, you pick up:

♠ Q43
♥ KQJ6542
♦ --------
♣ 852

Partner opens 1♠, and you play 2/1, but have not discussed any sequences...

What do you bid?


AJK

I will try 1nt...planning on rebidding 4h.

[Fluffy]

I bid a direct 4♥.

[rogerclee]

Fluffy, on Dec 25 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

I bid a direct 4♥.

I think I have too many hearts to do this.

[andy_h]

2H then rebidding 4H

[cherdano]

2♥. If partner raises, I bid 5♣ exclusion obviously.

[neilkaz]

2♥... I'll force to game and see what PD rebids.

[foo]

mtvesuvius, on Dec 25 2008, 04:11 PM, said:

Playing IMPs, NV vs V, you pick up:

♠Q43 ♥KQJ6542 ♦ ♣852

Partner opens 1♠, and you play 2/1, but have not discussed any sequences...

What do you bid?

Pard Opened 1S, and we have 3 ♠'s, a beautiful side source of tricks (very few suits are as good as that ♥ suit), and a wonderful ruffing value (voids are ~3x more rare than singletons).

In a simple calculation, your hand is worth 8 HCP + 5 for the void= 13 Dummy points.

But your hand is actually worth more than 13 Dummy points, say ~3 dummy points stronger for a total of ~15, because your ♥ suit will play for no more than 1 loser no matter what Opener's ♥'s are.

If partner has ♠ A & K plus 2 side A's, We could be cold for a slam.

You have far more than enough to make a GF 2/1.
In fact you have more than enough to make a GF 2/1 and bid out your shape:

1S-2H;foo-3H;3N-4S is the most likely auction playing 2/1 GF and Fast Arrival.

Playing SA, you can't afford to bid ♥'s 2x this way because 3H can be passed, so: 1S-2H;foo-4S is the probably the simplest way to try and describe your hand.

I do not agree with the posters who do not ever intend to suppport ♠'s. While our ♥ suit is certainly good enough to insist on as trumps, a light game or slam could depend on Us having a double fit in the Majors. Opener is never going to be able to figure that out if Responder never raises Opener's suit.

[cherdano]

Not worth a partnership fight btw (not even around Christmas).

[mtvesuvius]

I forced to game with 2♥, and partner held 13 cards (Hidden):

Spoiler

♠ AKJT5
♥ ------
♦ KJ82
♣ Q764

So Partner bid 3♦, I bid 3♥, Partner bid 3NT and I bid 4♠ where we played it. With a little help from the defense, it made 4. My partner felt that my hand was too weak to 2/1, and that I should go through 1NT... I also didn't feel like I bid this correctly, so I thought I'd post this.

AJK

[foo]

mtvesuvius, on Dec 27 2008, 08:22 AM, said:

I forced to game with 2♥, and partner held 13 cards (Hidden):

Spoiler

♠AKJT5 ♥        ♦KJ82 ♣Q764

So Partner bid 3♦, I bid 3♥, Partner bid 3N and I bid 4♠ where we played it. With a little help from the defense, it made 4. My partner felt that my hand was too weak to 2/1, and that I should go through 1NT... I also didn't feel like I bid this correctly, so I thought I'd post this.

AJK

If you were my partner, I'd have no problem with 1S-2H GF on this board and would in fact expect it from you as a matter of course.

Opener should rebid 2S, not 3D, with a minimum shapely hand. Particularly if it contains a singleton or, worse, a void in ♥'s (a big downward adjustment in their hand if ever there was.)

Playing SA, if you should rebid ♥'s, Opener should pass.

This is also why, even playing SA, your hand is not worth a 2/1 unless you have support for partner.

[andy_h]

your partner should rebid 2S. That is nowhere near extras (which 3D should show)

[mtvesuvius]

ok... Thanks. I also beleived that my partner's 3♦ was wrong, but my partner was 5 times my age, and he was not open to discussion... Anyway, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year .

[rogerclee]

Wow, would never bid 3♦ with those cards.