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The SAYC Death Hand

#1 User is offline   TylerE 

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Posted 2008-December-24, 20:06

1♦ - (p) - ?


Playing *STRICT*, by the book SAYC. Yes, I know Inv Minors/Crisscross insert your forcing raise method makes this trivial. That ain't what I'ma sking.
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Posted 2008-December-24, 20:15

2NT natural and game forcing.
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Posted 2008-December-24, 20:19

2 clubs, then support diamond

View PostFree, on 2011-May-10, 03:57, said:

Babalu just wanted a shoulder to cry on, is that too much to ask for?
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Posted 2008-December-24, 20:24

awm, on Dec 24 2008, 09:15 PM, said:

2NT natural and game forcing.

This.

Of course, a ton of players seem to play 2NT as 10-11 invitational. Hopefully you know which one partner plays. If not, maybe 3NT is safest.

I have to admit, as loathe as I am to adopt conventions, I've pretty much decided I can't live without inverted minors.

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Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2008-December-24, 21:00

What does 1D-3D mean in strict SAYC?
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Posted 2008-December-24, 21:09

Limit, I believe. SAYC:

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RESPONSES TO A 1♣ OR A 1♦ OPENING
Responses and later bidding generally follow the ideas set down in the previous section.  (Responses to 1M)
There is no forcing minor-suit raise.

Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2008-December-24, 21:19

babalu1997, on Dec 24 2008, 09:19 PM, said:

2 clubs, then support diamond

I'll pick this one.
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Posted 2008-December-24, 21:49

I prefer to bid 1♠ to save some space, but 2♣ might work better, specially if partner can raise me with only 3 spades.
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Posted 2008-December-24, 22:19

Upgrade this hand slightly and bid 3N. SAYC is supposed to be simple, not precise.
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Posted 2008-December-25, 00:06

2NT when I'm depressed. 3NT when I'm feeling no pain.
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Posted 2008-December-25, 03:09

SAYC: Easy 2 NT (13-15)
SAYC as it is played on BBO: 3 NT (13-15)
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Posted 2008-December-25, 03:42

2N if forcing. 2♣ otherwise, I hate 3N.
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Posted 2008-December-25, 07:06

Playing strict SAYC, without a forcing game rise in a the minors.
The method to go is a delayed game raise.
So 2♣ followed by a game raise or using 4th suit game forcing should do the trick.
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Posted 2008-December-25, 07:33

1♦-2♣-2♦ - what now? 2♠, perhaps? One is almost tempted to splinter with 3♥ on the first round, when one contemplates sequences such as this.
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Posted 2008-December-25, 07:45

dburn, on Dec 25 2008, 07:33 AM, said:

1♦-2♣-2♦ - what now? 2♠, perhaps? One is almost tempted to splinter with 3♥ on the first round, when one contemplates sequences such as this.

I think the delayed raise is forcing in SAYC. (Or rather, I think it should be and I have no clue whether it actually is.)
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Posted 2008-December-25, 07:46

And how I hate SAYC!... If someone talked me into playing it with them, I would bid 2♣ and await developments.
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Posted 2008-December-25, 08:16

Fluffy, on Dec 25 2008, 03:49 AM, said:

I prefer to bid 1♠ to save some space, but 2♣ might work better, specially if partner can raise me with only 3 spades.

Experience has told me that bidding 1♠ with 3 cards is asking for trouble, no matter how good the suit is.
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Posted 2008-December-25, 08:22

2NT. Good one for the post-mortem!
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