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#1 User is offline   Quarky 

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Posted 2008-December-14, 00:29

What do you open in 3rd seat nonvuln at IMPs match?

AK952
QJ6
AK63
A

I opted for 2NT, while player at the other table chose 2C. I definitely don't like the quality or length of my spade suit to plan for 2C-2D-2S rebid, plus my other suits are stopped, so that's why I went for 2NT.

What do you guys think? What's the best opening bid?
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Posted 2008-December-14, 00:44

I respectfully think 2NT is pretty crazy.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-14, 01:12

2♣ 2♦ 2♠ is good
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Posted 2008-December-14, 01:20

I'll take my chances with 1♠ here... where are my tricks coming from if PD cannot keep a 1♠ bid open ?
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Posted 2008-December-14, 02:51

1♠.

If ♣A and ♥6 switched suits I'd bid 2♣. I always like my honours going together in one suit.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 03:03

Quarky, on Dec 14 2008, 01:29 AM, said:

What do you open in 3rd seat nonvuln at IMPs match?

AK952
QJ6
AK63
A

I opted for 2NT, while player at the other table chose 2C. I definitely don't like the quality or length of my spade suit to plan for 2C-2D-2S rebid, plus my other suits are stopped, so that's why I went for 2NT.

What do you guys think? What's the best opening bid?

For sake of discussion I assume with 5 major and 4 minor...never ...never bid any nt opening bid.

Now....I bet many on bbo open 2c but bbo forum hates to open 2c so some may open one spade :)
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Posted 2008-December-14, 03:36

I don't like 2♣ at all for this hand.

I open this one 1♠ and force with 3♦ when p responds.

When you open 2NT, which is not at all bad, you must play puppet stayman to find the 5-3 spade fit.
When p holds 3 spades and 5 hearts you will find 4♥ after a transfer.
When p holds 3 spades and 3/4 hearts he will puppet and you will find 4♠.
When p holds 3 spades and 3 hearts you end up in 3NT.

Only when 5 or 6♦ is the optimal contract you will regret opening 2NT.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 03:46

I certainly don't see the point of 2NT. It looks like a very maximum 1♠ bid, but sometimes you are maximum.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 03:57

I know very good players who think a hand like this is a 2♣ opening and very good players who think a hand like this is a 1♠ opening. I would open 1♠, but I can't say I have a strong opinion about it.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 04:16

1♠ for me.

2♣ seems OK if it fits your agreements. I also don't understand 2NT (i.e. I hate it).
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Posted 2008-December-14, 07:58

A standout 1S bid, all other choices ugh.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 08:26

I don't understand the rebid problem if you start 2♣. If, say, 2♦ is GF and 2♥ neg, either way you bid 2♠. If partner next bids 2NT or 3♣, 3♦ works. If partner instead rebids hearts, you have a fit. What can go wrong?
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Posted 2008-December-14, 11:28

kenrexford, on Dec 14 2008, 09:26 AM, said:

I don't understand the rebid problem if you start 2♣.  If, say, 2♦ is GF and 2♥ neg, either way you bid 2♠.  If partner next bids 2NT or 3♣, 3♦ works.  If partner instead rebids hearts, you have a fit.  What can go wrong?

Huh? I just read the other posts and unless I'm missing it, I don't believe a single person has claimed 2♣ would lead to rebid problems. It's just a matter of whether the hand is good enough.

Ok I see now, the OP did, sort of. Fair enough. In any case I agree with you on that point.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 11:40

I would use some forcing opener or 1♠, depending on the mood.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 13:21

I would open 2C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-14, 13:46

1♠

If I am lucky I might even make this.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 15:46

My understanding was that after 2C opener and 2D, the opener's rebid is usually a 6 card suit or good 5 card suit (like AKQxx); otherwise rebid NT. I guess that's wrong? That's the reason why i thought 2C-2D-2S would be wrong.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 16:11

Hi,

1S.

Ok, I play 2/1 with a forcing NT, and my
partner respond with a fit and 3-4 HCP.

2NT is fine as well.

Opening 2C is fine only, if you can stop in
2S.

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Posted 2008-December-14, 16:13

I am a 2♣ bidder. I see no rebid problems and it creates a easier auction if partner has something like:
♠ QJx
♥ ATxx
♦ Qxx
♣ xxx

You now have a much easier auction:
2♣ - 2♦
2♠ - 3♠
3NT*- 4♣
4♦ - 5♠
6♠ - All Pass

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Posted 2008-December-14, 16:15

mtvesuvius, on Dec 14 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

I am a 2♣ bidder. I see no rebid problems and it creates a easier auction if partner has something like:
♠  QJx
♥  ATxx
♦  Qxx
♣  xxx

You now have a much easier auction:
2♣ - 2♦
2♠ - 3♠
3NT*- 4♣
4♦ - 5♠
6♠ - All Pass

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Of course the problem is if partner expects a better hand for 2♣, in which case for example your auction could be the same if he didn't have the diamond queen.
Edit: Btw as I look more, what if he had Qxx of clubs instead even here? 1♠ would lead to a much better auction since opener could show his whole hand.
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