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Worth a reverse? with only 15 HCP...

Poll: What will you bid (33 member(s) have cast votes)

What will you bid

  1. 2D (2 votes [6.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.06%

  2. 2H (12 votes [36.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.36%

  3. 2S (18 votes [54.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.55%

  4. 3S (1 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

  5. Others (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   dbsboy 

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Posted 2008-December-13, 01:54



Holding this hand, you opened 1D. I'm sure a 3H jump raise is unanimous if partner responds in Hearts. What about if partner responds 1S?
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Posted 2008-December-13, 02:07

No, a 6-loser hand with no 'body' is not a reverse for me. I raise to 2♠ but will not criticize 2♦.

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Posted 2008-December-13, 02:09

2♠, I don't see a problem here. Reverse is nuts.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 03:10

Hi,

as always a matter of partnership agreement,
and those are partially depend where you live.

See for instance
http://forums.bridge...showtopic=18177

To answer your question:
For me, the options are either 2D or 2H, personnally I find
the hand too strong for a 2S bid.
Dont ask me, what I would choose, but the reverse is an real
possibility.
Of course for me a reverse does not promise another rebid, i.e
I definitly belong to the light reverse school, a school which is a
minority, especially here on the forum.

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Posted 2008-December-13, 04:23

Walddk, on Dec 13 2008, 03:07 PM, said:

No, a 6-loser hand with no 'body' is not a reverse for me. I raise to 2♠ but will not criticize 2♦.

Roland

Agree. This is not a reverse.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 06:20

I like weakish reverses, so 2♥ for me.

Also because I don't like the alternative: 2♠ and 2♦ seem little on this nice hand.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 08:09

Walddk, on Dec 13 2008, 03:07 AM, said:

No, a 6-loser hand with no 'body' is not a reverse for me. I raise to 2♠ but will not criticize 2♦.

Roland

I agree with Roland, in a typical SA or 2/1 GF context this hand is not worth a reverse.

There are those that play a style where control rich 6- loser hands with 16+ in playing strength are allowed to reverse. They get their inspiration from bidding systems such as some styles of Acol or KS where reversing on some 6 loser hands is systemic.

I haven't played Acol in a while, but perhaps Frances or someone who does could comment on whether ♠ATx♥AJxx♦AQxxx♣x would be considered worth a reverse in that system?

Anybody out there play KS enough to comment?

If you decide such hands are worth a reverse, and I am NOT advocating such a thing, you are going to need "excellent brakes" in your bidding system to make sure you do not get too high too often after a reverse. This will require a great deal of very careful planning for auctions after a reverse. At the least, the floor on Responder's continuations is going to have to be increased so that We have at least 25+ between Us when Responder GF.

In addition, remember that in typical SA or 2/1 GF, a minimum response is ~6 points. Since We typically need 23+ points to be safe at the 2N or 3ofasuit level, the typical reverse promises 17+ points.
Reversing "light" on some hands increases the risk of Us getting too high.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 09:41

I think it just barely doesn't make it, despite upgrading being very possible due to the spade holding. Which makes 2♠ obvious (I know 2♦ is bid in places where raising on 3 is not normal and rebidding 5 card minors is. All I can say is I'm very glad I don't live in such a place!)

I think it's close enough that as small a change as moving the jack to the long suit where it would also reinforce the queen (ATx Axxx AQJxx x) might well be worth a reverse.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 09:51

jdonn, on Dec 13 2008, 08:41 AM, said:

I think it just barely doesn't make it, despite upgrading being very possible due to the spade holding. Which makes 2♠ obvious (I know 2♦ is bid in places where raising on 3 is not normal and rebidding 5 card minors is. All I can say is I'm very glad I don't live in such a place!)

I think it's close enough that as small a change as moving the jack to the long suit where it would also reinforce the queen (ATx Axxx AQJxx x) might well be worth a reverse.

Agree with this, this hand is much much closer to a (North American) reverse than the previous posters seem to think.

Also I don't understand why 2♦ is a reasonable bid, 2♠ has much more to gain and doesn't lie about our diamond length.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 13:40

Very close to reverse, due to spade fillers for partner and controls in all suits. Put a 10-9 into the diamond or heart suit and IMO it already qualifies. 2S is the practical bid, much better than rebidding only a five card ratty minor or making a borderline reverse. Sometimes rebidding the minor is the "least lie" but not with this hand.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 13:42

Agree with jdonn, was very surprised to read about 2D.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 14:00

Not a reverse for me.

I raise spades.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 14:14

Not strong enough for a reverse, I raise to 2 Spades.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 03:39

We would reverse* playing strong NT, and raise 1S to 2S playing weak NT - playing weak NT the direct raise is a stronger bid.

*My husband would reverse ("just"), I might do but would like to have the ten of hearts in addition.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 10:15

I am a strong reverser, so it may surprise some that I think that this is very close to a reverse... certainly, the addition of the red tens would have me reversing. I really like Aces.... they are undervalued by the 4321 count, and all of the cards are in the long suits, so this is no 15 count as it is.

Whether I raise to 2♠ or 2♦ depends upon who I am playing with... in one partnership, with weak 1N, the single raise promises 4 cards support, so the 'book bid' is an ugly 2♦. In other partnerships, this is a heavy 3 card raise.
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  Posted 2008-December-15, 10:20

2S raise with me agreeing with my partner above. Controls are right, suit lengths are right, but it's just a touch too spacey for me. An almost reverse.
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