[the hog]

I was just asked what to bid on this hand. I have my own ideas, but I would like a comment or two

South opens 1S (5card major); West overcalls 2H
This is North's hand
S = 764
H = J
D = 3
C = AJT86532

[helene_t]

2♠.

[karlson]

I'll overbid as usual to get my suit in. 3c.

I'm not particularly interested in playing this hand in spades though of course it could be right.

[karlson]

Actually I've changed my mind. I'm just going to bid 5c, assuming it's not a fit-jump, since I'm going to do this over 4h anyway, and it's not clear to me that I will sit for partner's 3n, either.

[han]

5C.

[kfay]

karlson, on Dec 5 2008, 08:04 PM, said:

Actually I've changed my mind. I'm just going to bid 5c, assuming it's not a fit-jump, since I'm going to do this over 4h anyway, and it's not clear to me that I will sit for partner's 3n, either.

I think this is crazy. How can't we be interested in playing in spades?

Now if I only knew what to bid......

I guess I'll go game if this is IMPs. And I'll start with 3♣ and support spades later.

[han]

How likely is it that partner will correct to clubs when that's right Kevin? Should he play you for a 6-count with 8 clubs?

[kfay]

han, on Dec 5 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

How likely is it that partner will correct to clubs when that's right Kevin? Should he play you for a 6-count with 8 clubs?

Yeah I feel you're right now after thinking about it for a bit.

Can't get rid of many of partner's losers unless he has club support, most likely....

Still don't know what to do though.

[H_KARLUK]

4♠
Prospects are bleak.

[Apollo81]

3♣ seems clear to me, as most other calls preclude us from playing in one of the two possible suits.

[maggieb]

Any spade raise is a beginner's bid.

I understand 3C but I don't think that you can make a sensible decision later anyway, so I would bid 5C immediately.

Edit: what Han said.

[benlessard]

The stiff diamonds + A of clubs + the fact that i dont have a super fit make it likely they dont make 5H. So no need to go crazy for saving, its could easily be your hand.

2nd is 5C a better contract than 4S ? Maybe, maybe not. Im not willing to gamble on this.

I think bidding 2S and bidding 4S over 4H will show 3/4 card supports short heart and extras distribution. This a a fair description of my hand.


Bidding 3S has a lot to offer too if it could help partner to know what to over 4/5H but its not so clear.

I prefer 2S.

[ochinko]

Don't put an 8 cards suit in the dummy.

I prefer the other unthinkable course of action - hiding the ♠ fit. 5♣ is perhaps a better bid, but I start with 3♣.

[hotShot]

How many red cards can I ruff with my 3 small spades?
How many of my ♠ loser are covered by partners 1♠ bid?

My hand is stronger in ♣ so the choices are 3♣, 4♣ or 5♣.
Since 4♣ might have a different use, I can't use that with a pickup partner.
So I overbid in 5♣.

[gwnn]

Yep we have a crap crap hand for spades, 5♣ it should be.

/*Even though maybe we could do a bit of masterminding, over

1♠-(2♥)-3♣
3♠-4♣
4♠

or, to a lesser extent,

1♠-(2♥)-3♣
4♠

it's quite clear that 4♠ should do better than 5♣.

There are numerous problems with this approach:
-partner may overbid to slam a good portion of the time when 5♣ was making
-opps get a free ride to finding their fit when they have a fit, maybe they were the ones who have slam!
-masterminding is wrong, 8 card suits are trump, and another one or two adages here.*/

[Rossoneri]

3♣, even though it can be problematic and bring us too high sometimes.

[whereagles]

I'm with 5♣ too. Playing spades, my 8 card suit might produce 1 trick only if dummy gets tapped.

I'm willing to venture Richard agrees with me.. lol

[helene_t]

Oops it's an 8-card suit, I counted only 7. Not sure what I would have done if I counted correctly but the case for 5♣ seems convincing.

[JLOL]

Quote

3♣

LOL

[the hog]

Wow, thanks for the responses. I think thi is hard and a case can be made for a number of bids - even 2S. I suggested the poster bid 5C, but I really am not sre this is right. Can someone do a simulation maybe?