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Too strong for 3NT?

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  1. 2[HE] (5 votes [18.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

  2. 3[CL] (3 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  3. 3NT (19 votes [70.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.37%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2008-December-08, 18:14

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QJ4
AKQ1062
AK4

S-N
1♦-1♠
??


supose you sadly don't have 2NT wtp avaible this time.
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Posted 2008-December-08, 18:16

I'm not sure why you think this is too strong. It's not like we have 7 diamonds or something. I hate to sound old, but just because you have full values for your bid doesn't make the hand too good for that bid.
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Posted 2008-December-08, 18:17

I forgot the final question, if you think 3NT is obvious, is there any range where you don't open 2♣ but you are too strong for 3NT?
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Posted 2008-December-08, 18:52

Fluffy, on Dec 8 2008, 07:17 PM, said:

I forgot the final question, if you think 3NT is obvious, is there any range where you don't open 2♣ but you are too strong for 3NT?

With 6 diamonds, no. With 7 diamonds, maybe. With 8 diamonds, definitely.
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Posted 2008-December-08, 21:01

This hand is perfect for 3NT.

With 8 diamonds I usually don't want to rebid 3NT.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-08, 21:22

It would take a longer suit than this to be too strong for 3NT but not enough defense for 2♣.

Personally, I would use 4NT in this sequence to show a hand similar to 3NT but too strong (say 10.5 tricks). Why jump into Blackwood when you have so much room to investigate. This requires partnership agreement and absent such agreement, a hand like

5
KQ4
AKQJ1062
AQ

needs to open 2♣ in spite of only 4.5 quick tricks, not because you will miss game opening 1♦ (this hand has no prayer of game opposite a zero count or even the ♠K), but because there is no way to indicate the slam prospects without opening 2♣.
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Posted 2008-December-08, 21:25

There certainly are balanced 0-counts where that hand wants to be in game, though I admit it is unlikely. I would also open 2C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-08, 22:44

jdonn, on Dec 8 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

I'm not sure why you think this is too strong. It's not like we have 7 diamonds or something. I hate to sound old, but just because you have full values for your bid doesn't make the hand too good for that bid.

This a WTP 3NT for me in complete agreement with you.
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Posted 2008-December-09, 10:02

There is absolutely nothing wrong with 3NT, however I would have probably opened 2♣ to begin with... How I wish we were playing precision.
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Posted 2008-December-09, 10:20

jdonn, on Dec 8 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

I'm not sure why you think this is too strong. It's not like we have 7 diamonds or something. I hate to sound old, but just because you have full values for your bid doesn't make the hand too good for that bid.

despite rumours to the contrary, cards have the same value whether held by doddering old-timers like me or young experts like josh, so 3N seems like the normal bid, not the old folk's bid.... of course, I probably feel that way only because I am old.
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Posted 2008-December-09, 10:51

mikeh, on Dec 9 2008, 11:20 AM, said:

despite rumours to the contrary, cards have the same value whether held by doddering old-timers like me or young experts like josh

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Posted 2008-December-09, 15:19

Rubbish. They're worth more when I hold them :P
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