[Hanoi5]

Playing SAYC you come accross this beauty:

♠Txx
♥QJ
♦Txx
♣AKQT6

Bidding goes:
1♥ 2♣
2♦ 2♥
4NT 5♣
5♦ 6♣
6♦ ???

Your partner asked for Key-Cards and the Trump Queen. What is 6♦ and what will you bid?

[mike777]

Hanoi5, on Dec 5 2008, 04:47 AM, said:

Playing SAYC you come accross this beauty:

♠Txx
♥QJ
♦Txx
♣AKQT6

Bidding goes:
1♥ 2♣
2♦ 2♥
4NT 5♣
5♦ 6♣
6♦ ???

Your partner asked for Key-Cards and the Trump Queen. What is 6♦ and what will you bid?

I grant this bidding is totally insane
2c=insane
2h=more insane
rest if possible more insane.



What happens if the bidding goes 1h=1nt?
I bet this is not an issue!

[jdonn]

6♦ is simply his only grand slam try available, it says we have all the keycards and doesn't say a whole lot beyond that. I think the heart jack and running clubs will get me to bid 7♥, obviously he 'should' have a very good hand to jump to blackwood like that instead of investigating at a lower level.

[rogerclee]

I would agree with Jdonn if our clubs were actually running, but we don't seem to have the jack! Gambling on clubs to run to bid a grand seems really wild.

[FrancesHinden]

mike777, on Dec 5 2008, 09:52 AM, said:

Hanoi5, on Dec 5 2008, 04:47 AM, said:

Playing SAYC you come accross this beauty:

♠Txx
♥QJ
♦Txx
♣AKQT6

Bidding goes:
1♥ 2♣
2♦ 2♥
4NT 5♣
5♦ 6♣
6♦ ???

Your partner asked for Key-Cards and the Trump Queen. What is 6♦ and what will you bid?

I grant this bidding is totally insane
2c=insane
2h=more insane
rest if possible more insane.



What happens if the bidding goes 1h=1nt?
I bet this is not an issue!

Insane? What on earth is wrong with 2C? I bet if the auction starts 1h - 1NT you have no chance of ever catching up later.

[whereagles]

I don't think pard would make a grand slam try on

Axx
AKxxxx
Axx
x

alone. Something like

AKx
AKxxxx
Axx
x

is more likely. But even this is only 12 tricks unless you get lucky or conjure up a squeeze. Thus, in any case 12 tricks seem to be the limit.

Of course, in real life pard will actually have something like

Axx
AKxxxx
Axx
J

or even...

Ax
AKxxx
AQxxx
x

[dicklont]

6♦ asks me to look for something extra.
I don't know what to do, when the clubs run it's 7.
Is he only looking for ♣Q?
OK, I feel lucky, 7♥.

[louisg]

Wasn't my 2H bid non-forcing in SAYC? Given that, my hand can hardly be better than it is, and I'm bidding a grand. However, I think 7NT is better than 7H. Imagine the risk in playing 7H on a club lead, when partner has a singleton club.

[jdonn]

louisg, on Dec 5 2008, 09:34 AM, said:

Wasn't my 2H bid non-forcing in SAYC? Given that, my hand can hardly be better than it is, and I'm bidding a grand. However, I think 7NT is better than 7H. Imagine the risk in playing 7H on a club lead, when partner has a singleton club.

Why not bid 7♣ and let partner decide? I'm quite sure this should show the club queen, not that you want to play in clubs.

[louisg]

jdonn, on Dec 5 2008, 09:36 AM, said:

louisg, on Dec 5 2008, 09:34 AM, said:

Wasn't my 2H bid non-forcing in SAYC?  Given that, my hand can hardly be better than it is, and I'm bidding a grand.  However, I think 7NT is better than 7H.  Imagine the risk in playing 7H on a club lead, when partner has a singleton club.

Why not bid 7♣ and let partner decide? I'm quite sure this should show the club queen, not that you want to play in clubs.

Not bad, but I do think it suggests the possibility of playing clubs. Perhaps xxx Qx xx AKQxxx or so.

I'm having second thoughts about driving to 7 anyway. Can't partner have A AKxxxx AKxxx x?

[Hanoi5]

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Wasn't my 2H bid non-forcing in SAYC? Given that, my hand can hardly be better than it is, and I'm bidding a grand. However, I think 7NT is better than 7H. Imagine the risk in playing 7H on a club lead, when partner has a singleton club.

This comment was awesome. If I didn't know any better I'd say you played that tournament, this was partner's hand:

♠Ax
♥AKT8xx
♦A98x
♣J

It's true that partner got a little carried away but 7NT is cold on any lead and even 6♥ is down after a club lead.

[RichMor]

whereagles, on Dec 5 2008, 08:37 AM, said:

Of course, in real life pard will actually have something like

Axx
AKxxxx
Axx
J

or even...

Ax
AKxxx
AQxxx
x

I think partner has the second hand
Ax
AKxxx
AQxxx
x

and is looking for either the Diamond K or 6 Club winners.

[louisg]

RichMor, on Dec 5 2008, 10:23 AM, said:

I think partner has the second hand
Ax
AKxxx
AQxxx
x

and is looking for either the Diamond K or 6 Club winners.

And he wants to be in a grand opposite xxx Qx Kx AKxxxx? And did partner really bid a NF 2H on this hand anyway?

Note that if partner has xxx Qx xx AKQJxx opposite your example then the best grand is 7C (see my comment to jdonn above), but I don't think it's worth bidding (and partner might not have bid 2H with this either).

My point is that partner needs a much better hand than your example for his bidding, and certainly better than the the hand the OP has told us he actually had.