[mpefritz]

MPs, Both White

Playing "Standard American", partner opens 1♠, RHO overcalls 1NT, you pass and it gets passed around.

1S-1NT-P-P
P


♠Q74
♥KJ5
♦AT2
♣J752

Your lead?

[Flame]

You cant pass with this, you should double because you are too strong to bid 2sp.
bid 2sp here even with 5 hcp.
lead small spade.

[bearmum]

mpefritz, on Apr 25 2004, 02:02 PM, said:

MPs, Both White

Playing "Standard American",  partner opens 1♠, RHO overcalls 1NT, you pass and it gets passed around.

1S-1NT-P-P
P


♠Q74
♥KJ5
♦AT2
♣J752

Your lead?

Well -- I would have DOUBLED 1NT

But as you asked the question - I lead a small S ( third from an Honour) since P has 5

[the hog]

Impossible problem. My rho is NOT playing an undoubled 1N.
Against 1NX I lead the S7 - systemic with my partner, and the S4 with you.

[mpefritz]

Thanks,

I suspect the early results will mirror those that would follow. I am going to close my involvement of this question here and move it to the director's forum of fielded psyches vs ignorance vs does it even matter.

I was actually dummy on this hand and my partner overcalled 1NT and it went swish. Opening lead of club 2 set the contract.

(Note: I am NOT suggesting the "c" word here. no no no no no! i just want to know what kind of ruling should be expected.)

fritz

So the follow up question is: When you double 1N and pard bids 2H, what do you bid? Or does that expose the psyche?

Also note that I did not ask "What is your lead?" , but asked "Your lead?"

[Trpltrbl]

I would X and then lead 7 of ♠.

Mike

[Trpltrbl]

When I X and my pd bids 2♥, I will bid 2♠, showing what I have 8-10 HCP and ♠ fit.

Mike

P.S. not sure what psyche you are talking about. The opening 1♠ bid or the 1 NT ?

[Flame]

The 2♥ bid doesnt say i psyched and now i am too afraid of leaving 1nt D.
Its says i have an offensive hand and i believe we can get a better score offensively then diffending, this should be done with mostly 5-5s.
I would bid 2sp since i dont see anything better to bid.

[the hog]

So the follow up question is: When you double 1N and pard bids 2H, what do you bid? Or does that expose the psyche?

I would echo Flame's comments. The 2H bid says I have a very shapely hand that does not want to play 1NX. Over 2H I would bid 3S as after all I have Qxx and KJx opposite what is probably a 5-5 hand, and an outside A. Good looking cards!

[Flame]

The_Hog, on Apr 24 2004, 10:34 PM, said:

Over 2H I would bid 3S as after all I have Qxx and KJx opposite what is probably a 5-5 hand, and an outside A. Good looking cards!

Yes i think you're right.

[mishovnbg]

It is good idea to read BBO rules about psyches, both for players and directors, esp for second! Bluffs form 1st/2nd pos and with strong artifical opening are forbidden in BBO. So in this case despite result director must adjust result and warn 1♠ opener about rules of BBO and about he can be baned if continue.
Passing 1NT and lead ♣ is unusual, but not impossible, playing MP bridge for max. But regular "magic" play can be a prove for unfair play. As I already suggest best way to catch criminals are "marked" boards, like usage of marked money by police. Regular unusual play in such boards will be enough prove for anybody.
Misho

[mpefritz]

Let me repeat. I am not suggesting, implying, or encouraging the use of the c-word or any of it's substitutes here.

I am assuming someone took a view (we had a good board the hand before), or was a beginner who didn't know any better. I asked the question here to make sure most would X the 1NT. I also wanted to get an idea of how the bidding would go IF partner decided to bid 2H after X of 1NT. I also wanted an idea of the lead.

fritz

[Free]

I don't know where anybody would get it to NOT DOUBLE with this hand (makes it very suspicious for TD if he's called at the table anyway). Also, why would you EVER lead ♠ from Qxx if declarer has a control (perhaps 2)??? I really don't get it. If he has KJx or something similar, you give away a trick or you block the suit. So best alternative imo would be ♣2 imo... It's only 1NT, so you don't have to hurry!

[Trpltrbl]

Seems you be trusting your opps more then your pd, that's not good. I have no reason not to lead a ♠.
I also don't play with pd's who psych in first seat.

Mike

[EarlPurple]

Free, on Apr 25 2004, 10:39 PM, said:

I don't know where anybody would get it to NOT DOUBLE with this hand (makes it very suspicious for TD if he's called at the table anyway). Also, why would you EVER lead ♠ from Qxx if declarer has a control (perhaps 2)??? I really don't get it. If he has KJx or something similar, you give away a trick or you block the suit. So best alternative imo would be ♣2 imo... It's only 1NT, so you don't have to hurry!

You would lead a small spade because partner can win with the ace and return a low one, thus declarer will only make one trick with his KJx. Yes, the suit is blocked but hopefully partner will have outside entries for his opening bid.

If partner pulls the double to 2♥ I assume a shapely hand and will bid 3♠ because I have very good values for partner.

[Flame]

Like the two before me said, you already have a good resson to lead spade, your partner bid the suit, you need a good resson for not leading a spade.
bridge is a simple game, and leading your partner suit will make your partnership alot more healthy