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What's the difference? SAYC auction

#1 User is offline   vuroth 

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Posted 2008-December-02, 09:37

Inspired by another thread.

1♠ - 2♣
2♦ - 3♠

vs

1♠ - 2♣
2♦ - 4♠

What's the difference? Or should responder always bid 3♠ as a courtesy, in case opener wants to try for slam?

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Posted 2008-December-02, 09:39

3♠ is stronger.
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Posted 2008-December-02, 11:53

"SAYC" doesn't really specify, it's not a completely defined system. But most experts would specify that jumping to 4S showed a hand with good clubs & spades, no red suit control, called a "picture bid". That way even though a lot of space is consumed opener has a good idea whether or not to continue if he has enough to be considering slam.
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Posted 2008-December-02, 13:08

Stephen Tu, on Dec 3 2008, 06:53 AM, said:

"SAYC" doesn't really specify, it's not a completely defined system. But most experts would specify that jumping to 4S showed a hand with good clubs & spades, no red suit control, called a "picture bid". That way even though a lot of space is consumed opener has a good idea whether or not to continue if he has enough to be considering slam.

In my partnership we also limit the strength (controls) in the 4♠ bid.

Without a specific agreement (except that 3♠ is clearly forcing) you would do well to never bid 4♠ on this auction. 3♠ is a courtesy bid giving partner room to make a slam try.
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Posted 2008-December-02, 13:25

4♠ is a 'picture bid'; good Clubs and good Spades and no controls in read suits.

3♠ is something else.
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