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Playing 2/1 with a strong 2C opening, after which 2D is waiting (2H would show hearts) and 2C-2D-2H is Kokish, what do you open?
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Posted 2008-December-01, 14:35
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 14:57
I'd open 1♥. I consider this clear cut.
Yes, I could miss game if it goes 1♥ - float, however, a 2♣ is really going to cramp my auction
Yes, I could miss game if it goes 1♥ - float, however, a 2♣ is really going to cramp my auction
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Posted 2008-December-01, 15:52
I'd open 1♥ just because I hardly ever open 2♣.
I have absolutely no problem with 2♣ and might bid it myself if it crossed my mind at the time.
I have absolutely no problem with 2♣ and might bid it myself if it crossed my mind at the time.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 16:11
1♥
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Posted 2008-December-01, 16:11
I would open 1♥. I am not so worried about all pass, but that partner will not believe I am this strong and we will miss a few slams. Still, seems better to start getting my suits in early.
Not to hijack the thread, but why is Kokish so popular? 24+ hands are so rare, it does not seem like it is worth the price to me.
Not to hijack the thread, but why is Kokish so popular? 24+ hands are so rare, it does not seem like it is worth the price to me.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 16:15
MarkDean, on Dec 1 2008, 05:11 PM, said:
I would open 1♥. I am not so worried about all pass, but that partner will not believe I am this strong and we will miss a few slams. Still, seems better to start getting my suits in early.
Not to hijack the thread, but why is Kokish so popular? 24+ hands are so rare, it does not seem like it is worth the price to me.
Not to hijack the thread, but why is Kokish so popular? 24+ hands are so rare, it does not seem like it is worth the price to me.
What's the cost?
Wrong-siding the spade contract?
Kevin Fay
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Posted 2008-December-01, 16:25
kfay, on Dec 1 2008, 03:15 PM, said:
MarkDean, on Dec 1 2008, 05:11 PM, said:
I would open 1♥. I am not so worried about all pass, but that partner will not believe I am this strong and we will miss a few slams. Still, seems better to start getting my suits in early.
Not to hijack the thread, but why is Kokish so popular? 24+ hands are so rare, it does not seem like it is worth the price to me.
Not to hijack the thread, but why is Kokish so popular? 24+ hands are so rare, it does not seem like it is worth the price to me.
What's the cost?
Wrong-siding the spade contract?
The cost is that responder says nothing until opener finishes describing his hand, so the auction is much more cramped. Responder can't introduce spades at the 2-level over hearts, and his 3♥ preference after opener finishes describing his shape can be made on a large variety of hands (strong raise, weak raise, doubleton preference). Basically you lose a substantial amount when you have hearts.
One fix to that problem is to open a lot of the weaker hands that are strong with hearts (especially hearts+spades) with 1♥!
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Posted 2008-December-01, 16:32
I would bid 2♣ and the rest depends on what exactly 'kokish' is.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 19:08
1♥.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."
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Posted 2008-December-03, 15:07
1♥.
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Harald
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