[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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(2S)-P-(p)-DBL
(p)-?
 
We agreed to play Lebensohl - 2NT weak relay - bu don't have agreements about bidding this hand.
What is best ageement here?

[TylerE]

I'm bidding a direct 3N. This doesn't feel like a hand where we having running tricks, so I want a stop in partners hand also.

[kgr]

To be clear about what I'm looking for (..after?):
Having Lebenshol, how do you use it to show stopper, no stopper, 4cH with stopper...?
(I'm not sure that I like that going via 2NT alwayse denies stopper. Maybe it is better to play that going via 2NT shows a 4 card H?)

[TylerE]

Way I've always played is:

3NT - Doesn't promise a stop, but doesn't deny a stop like Axx, values for game
3opp = 4OM no stop
2N-3C-3opp = 4OM with stop

[P_Marlowe]

2NT, planning to bid 3NT.

Maybe after partners answer you will know more,
e.g. after a 3C bid which showes a min.
Not unlikely, but 2Nt followed by 3Nt is all you can
do, maybe partner gets the message.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

kgr, on Dec 1 2008, 07:06 PM, said:

To be clear about what I'm looking for (..after?):
Having Lebenshol, how do you use it to show stopper, no stopper, 4cH with stopper...?
(I'm not sure that I like that going via 2NT alwayse denies stopper. Maybe it is better to play that going via 2NT shows a 4 card H?)

how do you play it after opponents
inteverne against your 1NT opener.

A common thing is slow showes, fast
denies.

But even if you have agreed, that fast
denies, I doubt you find a lot of peoble
to bid 3NT direct without a stopper.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[matmat]

I am a little confused here, why am i trying to get to 3NT on this hand? I bid 3H if i trust p to respect the forcing nature of the call, otherwise i either force with 3S and pass his 3nt or bid 4H over his 4m call. ( i could just blast 4H too)

[kgr]

P_Marlowe, on Dec 2 2008, 08:30 AM, said:

kgr, on Dec 1 2008, 07:06 PM, said:

To be clear about what I'm looking for (..after?):
Having Lebenshol, how do you use it to show stopper, no stopper, 4cH with stopper...?
(I'm not sure that I like that going via 2NT alwayse denies stopper. Maybe it is better to play that going via 2NT shows a 4 card H?)

how do you play it after opponents
inteverne against your 1NT opener.

A common thing is slow showes, fast
denies.

But even if you have agreed, that fast
denies, I doubt you find a lot of peoble
to bid 3NT direct without a stopper.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I like something like TylerE's suggestion: Fast denies 4 card OM and 3NT promises stop:
3NT = stop, no 4OM
3opp = no 4OM, no stop
2N-3C-3opp = 4OM with no stop
2N-3C-3NT = 4OM, stop

[kgr]

matmat, on Dec 2 2008, 09:53 AM, said:

I am a little confused here, why am i trying to get to 3NT on this hand? I bid 3H if i trust p to respect the forcing nature of the call, otherwise i either force with 3S and pass his 3nt or bid 4H over his 4m call. ( i could just blast 4H too)

Is 3H forcing? I thought it was 8-11 HCP?

[matmat]

kgr, on Dec 2 2008, 03:01 AM, said:

matmat, on Dec 2 2008, 09:53 AM, said:

I am a little confused here, why am i trying to get to 3NT on this hand? I bid 3H if i trust p to respect the forcing nature of the call, otherwise i either force with 3S and pass his 3nt or bid 4H over his 4m call. ( i could just blast 4H too)

Is 3H forcing? I thought it was 8-11 HCP?

it's possible my understanding of lebensohl is very poor ;P

(so I just 3♠ this)