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#1 User is offline   sathyab 

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Posted 2008-December-03, 15:12

What's the "standard" meaning of X when the auction goes 1h-p-1nt-(2s)-X ? As the opener can easily have 4-5 in majors and a good hand, is there any reason this could not be a penalty double, even if you play low-level doubles in other auctions as T/O ?
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Posted 2008-December-03, 15:37

I don't know what you mean by "is there a reason it could not be penalty." There are reasons it either could or couldn't be. Maybe penalty is technically standard but in any reasonable partnership I have I would believe it was takeout oriented even if we hadn't discussed it. I often make the agreement that it's a support double with extra values.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 15:42

Clearly takeout for me.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 16:54

jdonn, on Dec 3 2008, 04:37 PM, said:

I don't know what you mean by "is there a reason it could not be penalty." There are reasons it either could or couldn't be. Maybe penalty is technically standard but in any reasonable partnership I have I would believe it was takeout oriented even if we hadn't discussed it. I often make the agreement that it's a support double with extra values.

Support double ? Just to make sure, you're thinking of the same auction that I meant, you open 1h, partner bids 1nt, your RHO introduces 2s. Where does the support double figure here ?
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Posted 2008-December-03, 16:58

sathyab, on Dec 3 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

jdonn, on Dec 3 2008, 04:37 PM, said:

I don't know what you mean by "is there a reason it could not be penalty." There are reasons it either could or couldn't be. Maybe penalty is technically standard but in any reasonable partnership I have I would believe it was takeout oriented even if we hadn't discussed it. I often make the agreement that it's a support double with extra values.

Support double ? Just to make sure, you're thinking of the same auction that I meant, you open 1h, partner bids 1nt, your RHO introduces 2s. Where does the support double figure here ?

Sorry I did misread the auction, I somehow thought partner had bid a suit. This one I definitely play as takeout, and I would always assume the people I play with know that. I don't know what "standard" technically is, but I think it's by far the most common expert treatment to play it as takeout.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 18:16

Take-out.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 20:13

Takeout.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-04, 00:29

I am not sure what standard is, but I would assume takeout opposite any of my partners, whether we had discussed this double or not.

It is true that you could have 45 and a good hand, but there are many hand types, and you only get to choose one meaning...
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