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Actions after a take-out double General System Question

Poll: Actions by Responder after a take-out dble (16 member(s) have cast votes)

Actions by Responder after a take-out dble

  1. System On (1 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  2. Redefined System of Resonses (15 votes [93.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 93.75%

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#1 User is offline   InTime 

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Posted 2008-November-22, 13:25

What is the panel's feeling by playing System On after a take-out Double?
For instance 1NT still forcing, 1M - Dble - 2M still constructive etc.
If you feel uncomfortable using the above, you can just pass and come in later.
The Re-Double you can define to have a specific meaning whatever you prefer (example Rosenkranz after a major suit opening etc.)

Or,

Is it preferable to design a new system of responses after a take-out double?

I feel more comfortable to play System On after a take-out double because there are no impact on your responses. In other words just ignore the take-out double. In this instance there is probably less a chance of a misunderstanding afterwards.

The reason I am asking is because I have seen some world class players playing on BBO and running sometimes into difficulties not playing System On after a take-out double.

I will appreciate the feeling of the panel about this statement.
Also reasoning playing a certain way will also be appreciated.
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Posted 2008-November-22, 13:31

System off.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-22, 13:49

System on is horrible, you need to be able to bid your suits in competition.
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Posted 2008-November-22, 14:40

System on has one advantage: You need less memory. This is a big advantage.
But the disadvantages are much bigger. Arend named the biggest: You should get your suits in non forcing asap.
So system off is it.
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Posted 2008-November-22, 15:01

System off.

New suit at the 2 level are NF, even if you play a 2 over 1 after
a 1 level overcall as forcing.
They promised opening strength, so the frequence of non forcing
hans go up.

Quite a lot of expert players switch to transfer responses after a
t/o.

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Posted 2008-November-22, 15:29

Forcing No Trump is horrible without the double why would you want to use it after a double.
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Posted 2008-November-23, 00:06

It depends on the system. In partnerships where I play Bergen raises, I play them on over a double. If anything, I think the double improves their usefulness; responder is less likely to want to make a natural jump-shift (weak or strong) in a suit the doubler has ostensibly shown, and RHO is more likely to come in at a lower level.
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Posted 2008-November-23, 02:00

Transfers after the X are definitely preferable - it allows you to describe most hands better at the slight cost of not having a natural 1NT response
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Posted 2008-November-23, 05:32

Agree effervesce, xfers allow me to show 'help' suit and delayed raise(xfer there, then support). Immediate 'good DT' raise(xfer to our suit). Weak distr raise(immediate raise/jump raise). 'Mixed' raise(X then support). AND start search if no fit.
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