[shanbari]

general 2/1 system,

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1)
1c (1s) 2h* (2s);
p (p) 3c

2h* = forcing one round,
queston: is 3c forcing or not ?

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2)

1c (1s) 2h (3s);
p (p) 4c

question: is 4c forcing or not ?
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thanks

[ArtK78]

1) No.

2) No, but its hard to imagine that you would pass it.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 no, but matter of partnership agreement
Usually 2/1 is just forcing for one round, partners
pass over 2S nonforcing, so standard is certainly,
that 3C is nonforcing.

#2 yes, no, yes.
In the end, life is to short, to play just 4C, but in
the given scenario it may make sense to play 4C as
nonforcing, I would not, but ...

With kind regards
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

1. No
2. No

[jdonn]

No no.

[whereagles]

1. No
2. Yes, because of 1.

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Nov 20 2008, 11:12 AM, said:

2. Yes, because of 1.

Yes because if we made an insufficient bid on 2. it would be nonforcing?

[lexlogan]

3♣ is not, and shuld not, be forcing.
I can't imagine needing two nonforcing club bids, so I would never pass 4♣. I would intend it as a slam try, myself; Minorwood if we play that.

[jdonn]

lexlogan, on Nov 20 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

3♣ is not, and shuld not, be forcing.
I can't imagine needing two nonforcing club bids, so I would never pass 4♣. I would intend it as a slam try, myself; Minorwood if we play that.

Is this a hard day to read posts? Hehe you seem to belong to the whereagles school of not reading the second auction.

[kfay]

jdonn, on Nov 20 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

lexlogan, on Nov 20 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

3♣ is not, and shuld not, be forcing.
I can't imagine needing two nonforcing club bids, so I would never pass 4♣. I would intend it as a slam try, myself; Minorwood if we play that.

Is this a hard day to read posts? Hehe you seem to belong to the whereagles school of not reading the second auction.

Have to admit I didn't notice the difference before I read this post.

Both non-forcing.

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Nov 20 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

whereagles, on Nov 20 2008, 11:12 AM, said:

2. Yes, because of 1.

Yes because if we made an insufficient bid on 2. it would be nonforcing?

I swear I read auction 2 as

1C (1S) 2H (2S)
pa (pa) 4C

If (3S), I would take it as NF.

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Nov 20 2008, 06:11 PM, said:

Is this a hard day to read posts? Hehe you seem to belong to the whereagles school of not reading the second auction.

Why bother reading posts? The only posts you need to read are mine

[de_sweetie]

1. No
2. No

partner made a forcing one round bid, any bid back to my original opening bid should be NF