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Raise? Do you agree with the earlier bidding?

#1 User is offline   Cascade 

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Posted 2008-November-11, 19:10

Scoring: MP

Pass (1♠) Dbl (Pass)
2♦ (4♠) 5♦ (Pass)
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Partner is competent.

LHO is a reasonable club player. RHO is weak.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 19:26

Agree with the initial Pass.

Disagree with 2♦, prefer 3♦.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 19:27

Huh?

I pass first seat, which is OK, and then I only bid 2♦, which is sick, and then partner bids 5♦ on his own?!?!?
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Posted 2008-November-11, 19:33

Even though I have a guess now I don't mind the earlier choices. I'll bid 6♦ now, which completely goes against all the principles I'm always railing about but I can't help myself :)

Edit: Oh wait saw the auction wrong, I thought spades was raised! This is very different, I pass.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 19:46

The 1♠ opener has at least 7 spades, probably 8. Partner is almost certain to have a singleton/void spades. What can partner's hand be?

x
Axxx
AQT8
Axxx

and slam is good, and that is nowhere near a 5♦ bid.

If partner has a singleton spade, with extra values, surely partner can make another X. Partner is very likely to be void spades, and if not, holding a singleton spade will have a rock crusher.

I raise to 6♦. They may make the wrong lead in any case, allowing a losing heart (or club) to be pitched on the other suit.

I won't be surprised if 7♦ is cold either. I'm tempted to bid 5♠ as a grand slam try given my previous bidding. Partner certainly doesnt expect you to have such a good hand.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 02:14

It's really close.
5 Diamond is often no good spot at mps, so bidding 6 is tempting.
But Pd may look at Kx, KQJx,Qxxxx,KQJx and we are -2 already... ;)

Okay, this is more then unlikely, but couldn't he bid 5 Diamond with
x, KQJx,AQxx,AKQJ? Is this more or less likely then V-Axxx,AQxxx,Axxx where
a grand slam has play?

Put me down for pass, taking the plus.

I have no problems with my bidding so far, but I had bid 3 Diamond, not just 2.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 02:44

Would have preferred 3♦, but that requires partnership agreement/understanding, so 2♦ is ok.

I pass now, partner has to have to many perfect values. But of course slam can be laydown.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 02:57

Even opposite a 21st Century takeout double this was worth at least 3♦ on the previous round.

If 4♠ had come back to me, I would have bid 5♦ myself, with some hope of making it. Partner has now bid the the five level himself opposite what might have been a 4342 Yarborough, so it's time to admit that my earlier evaluation was incorrect and bid 6♦.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-November-12, 03:18

Passing would be unreal bad. Partner has forced to 5D red/white and we have this lol. I am definitely worried about missing 7 but it happens.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 03:41

Pass.

Since I dont play a 2D weak two, pass is fine.
I can live with 2D as a response to the t/o as
well, 3D would promise to much high cards,
and given my length, it is more likely partner
is sitting on a strong 1-suiter.

And I will pass now, no reason to start guessing.

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Posted 2008-November-12, 04:32

How strong do you think partner would need to be to bid 6♦ himself?
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Posted 2008-November-12, 05:23

Cascade, on Nov 12 2008, 11:32 AM, said:

How strong do you think partner would need to be to bid 6♦ himself?

Absolutely enormous, especially as he has neither the king nor the jack of diamonds. We haven't promised anything at all, so he'd need something like
   A AKQx AQ10xx AKQ
or
   - AKQ AQ10xx AKQxx.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-November-12, 05:34

I would raise now, but as gnasher says this is just admitting that the previous 2D bid was a grotesque misevaluation.

I cannot conceive a hand that has a real 2D bid last round that raises now.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 06:13

gnasher, on Nov 12 2008, 08:23 PM, said:

Cascade, on Nov 12 2008, 11:32 AM, said:

How strong do you think partner would need to be to bid 6♦ himself?

Absolutely enormous, especially as he has neither the king nor the jack of diamonds. We haven't promised anything at all, so he'd need something like
   A AKQx AQ10xx AKQ
or
   - AKQ AQ10xx AKQxx.

I think he has exactly one slow trick less then this.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 09:47

Agree that passing now is inconceivable. It must be tough to consider a hand for partner that is a normal 5D bid but where 6D is bad?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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  Posted 2008-November-12, 09:52

6♦ has so much value to it, that I may have bid 5♦ at my first turn!
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Posted 2008-November-12, 10:09

I thought about it more and was mocked a little by Justin. I want to change my vote to 6♦, in fact not only could we have a grand but partner may even be able to bid it.

I still don't mind earlier bidding.

I accept full blame for passing the first time around. Even if partner somehow has two spades they probably can't lead them and I still expect to make.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 14:31

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 11:09 AM, said:

Even if partner somehow has two spades they probably can't lead them

Say what?
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 14:40

Let's all mock Josh some more.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-12, 14:49

han, on Nov 12 2008, 03:40 PM, said:

Let's all mock Josh some more.

***** I earned that one. Maybe I should pass after all, I'm going to be the one playing it!
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