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Poll: Which call would you choose? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

Which call would you choose?

  1. Pass (18 votes [48.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.65%

  2. Double (2 votes [5.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  3. 4NT (asking for minor) (16 votes [43.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.24%

  4. 5[HE] (gibbon) (1 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

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#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2008-November-11, 01:52

Scoring: MP

(1♠) - 2♠ - (4♠) - ?


(you're playing with a very good partner in a rather random field, 2♠ is the standard Michaels.)
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Posted 2008-November-11, 02:37

4N, I tend to be quite sound for michaels especially at this vulnerability. I am bidding to make (or hoping to).
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Posted 2008-November-11, 02:57

I have no correct solution.

I can let play 4♠ hoping in hearts tricks... but sometime 4♠ make or near make, with ops cards like
Scoring: MP


I can bid 4NT hoping to face some fitting cards, like
Scoring: MP


I think we cannot be sure both ways, so I prefer to bid considering what we can loose/gain, because:
1) sometime I have guessed correectly, and I'm happy
2) sometime they bid 5♠, and I'm happy
3) sometime they double and settle me... but I can share blame with my p for HIS 2♠ bid. And I'm ONLY half-unhappy. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2008-November-11, 03:33

Pass
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 07:39

agree with roger
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Posted 2008-November-11, 10:15

4NT.

It usually pays to bid one more with a fit.

And Q9xx, while quite annoying, hardly qualifies as a trump stack.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 12:50

I'll just pass and lead a heart at MP's since it looks like we could go for 500 on a bad day and both contracts could go down often, but I'm not sure of this at all. At imps I'd definitely bid 4NT, since 5m could easily make.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 14:25

gwnn, on Nov 11 2008, 06:50 PM, said:

I'll just pass and lead a heart at MP's....

If you pass and lead an ♥, I think they'll probably make it calling director...

Apparently it's not your lead.. :P
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Posted 2008-November-11, 14:27

oh well, at least I tried
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Posted 2008-November-11, 15:37

I'd pass. I agree with sound cuebids, but I think either of the following qualifies easily:

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KQJTx
xx
KQxxxx

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AKJTx
AQJxx
xxx

Neither hand offers much play for 5m. The second hand should beat 4♠ (but often only one trick, taking two hearts, one diamond, and a heart ruff). The first hand probably won't beat 4♠.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 15:59

Has anyone thought that the last making contract for either side was our 4m and that par is 4♠*-1?

Nick
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Posted 2008-November-11, 22:54

NickRW, on Nov 11 2008, 02:59 PM, said:

Has anyone thought that the last making contract for either side was our 4m and that par is 4♠*-1?

Nick

No, I am pretty sure everyone thought that this was completely impossible.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 09:57

:lol:
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-12, 10:07

I would pass.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 10:19

Freds new updated version of GIB Passed
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Posted 2008-November-12, 11:56

pigpenz, on Nov 12 2008, 11:19 AM, said:

Freds new updated version of GIB Passed

i don't know whether gib takes vul into account in regard to michaels.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 15:43

The poll seems to verify that it is close between Pass and 4NT.

On this particular deal, bidding turns out to be right as it leads to a profitable R/W sacrifice. Partner has slight extra shape, but is lightish on values:

x KJTxx AQxxxx x

4♠ makes on the nose and 5♦ is off one undoubled.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 16:38

Even when bidding 4NT is "wrong," in that 5 of a minor is worse than passing 4♠, the opponents may bid on to 5♠. That extra vig has to be worth something.

Call it fold equity for the poker players out there.
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