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#1 User is offline   ajm218 

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Posted 2008-November-12, 08:53

Scoring: IMP

1NT   2♦*
2♥   3♦
3NT   4♦
4♠   5♦
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Partner's hand hidden here:
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Suggestions on auction/how you would treat his hand?
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Posted 2008-November-12, 08:59

If partner's sequence shows slam interest, it's clear to bid 6♦. I prefer to have two ways to show a major and a minor, one showing slam interest and the other not. Without that agreement, I think partner's sequence should show slam interest.

On partner's actual hand, I'd have shown a 4-6 slam try, however you do that in your methods.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 09:53

I'm playing pard for a huge 5-5 or 5-6 hand. If not for 5NT, pick a slam, 6♦, and say "you're welcome".
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Posted 2008-November-12, 10:13

I don't get it. Responder has a HUGE hand and only bids 5♦ after Opener cues spades? I don't think the error is Opener's. Sure, he has three Aces, which is nice, but his hand is not all that impressive. One of the side Aces probably is meaningless, as Responder usually has a void somewhere. Opener only has one internal honor. Sure, this is nice, but 4♠ says Opener has a nice hand.

IMO, Responder should have bid more than 5♦.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 11:50

Agree with Ken, I don't understand why responder didn't cue 5C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-12, 12:39

han, on Nov 12 2008, 11:50 AM, said:

Agree with Ken, I don't understand why responder didn't cue 5C.

Responder thought that opener had denied a heart control. (I don't agree with that, 4♥ should be a suggestion to play, but I am sure that's what responder must have thought.)
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Posted 2008-November-12, 12:55

Another possibility: responder is English and only cues aces?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-12, 13:05

han, on Nov 12 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

Another possibility: responder is English and only cues aces?

That's possible, but then 4NT should be some sort of hedge bump of some sort, no?
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Posted 2008-November-12, 13:09

han, on Nov 12 2008, 12:55 PM, said:

Another possibility: responder is English and only cues aces?

Then responder should bid 4N RKCB to find out whether partner has the ♣A. :)
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Posted 2008-November-12, 13:10

I think 4NT as hedge bumb is standard.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-12, 13:14

han, on Nov 12 2008, 02:10 PM, said:

I think 4NT as hedge bumb is standard.

I like the spelling your way better. LOL
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Posted 2008-November-12, 14:42

OK then, I'll pretend it was on purpose.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-12, 15:06

another obvious 6D bid, more worried of missing 7 than going down in 6.
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Posted 2008-November-12, 18:46

han, on Nov 12 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

Another possibility: responder is English and only cues aces?

Or maybe he was American and thought that 5C would be a sort of RKCB-Last Train hybrid? That seems more likely than that one of my compatriots would have transferred to hearts with this hand.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-November-12, 19:30

gnasher, on Nov 12 2008, 07:46 PM, said:

han, on Nov 12 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

Another possibility: responder is English and only cues aces?

Or maybe he was American and thought that 5C would be a sort of RKCB-Last Train hybrid?

If that's what he thought 5♣ means (last train, as obviously rkcb is ridiculous to suggest), it would have been a perfect bid!
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Posted 2008-November-13, 03:05

I hadn't realised that a necessary condition for playing something as RKCB was that it not be ridiculous.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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