[cherdano]

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 06:56 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Nov 12 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

In a shocking move, Jimmy comes out in favor of tax cuts...

Seriously, is there any time that you aren't in favor of tax cuts?  This comment is (essentially) meaningless noise.

Yeah, if you can't be inconsistent, at least come down on the right side of the issue!

Right, raising some taxes and lowering others is inconsistent...

I have to say, Wolf, your one-line replies don't quite measure up to the general level of your watercooler contributions

[jdonn]

luke warm, on Nov 12 2008, 06:11 PM, said:

it looks to me as if the desire for a carbon tax keeps people from looking at the bigger picture (how it will affect all of us)

I thought the bigger picture that affects all of us was EARTH. My mistake.

[jdonn]

cherdano, on Nov 12 2008, 08:42 PM, said:

I have to say, Wolf, your one-line replies don't quite measure up to the general level of your watercooler contributions

Go easy on him, he is a liberal after all!

Wait, either that or he just likes posting only to disagree with someone.

[Lobowolf]

cherdano, on Nov 12 2008, 08:42 PM, said:

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 06:56 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Nov 12 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

In a shocking move, Jimmy comes out in favor of tax cuts...

Seriously, is there any time that you aren't in favor of tax cuts?  This comment is (essentially) meaningless noise.

Yeah, if you can't be inconsistent, at least come down on the right side of the issue!

Right, raising some taxes and lowering others is inconsistent...

I have to say, Wolf, your one-line replies don't quite measure up to the general level of your watercooler contributions

lol...uhhh thanks?! I thought the implication (and complaint) was that he's not in favor of raising any taxes, ever.

[Lobowolf]

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

cherdano, on Nov 12 2008, 08:42 PM, said:

I have to say, Wolf, your one-line replies don't quite measure up to the general level of your watercooler contributions

Go easy on him, he is a liberal after all!

Wait, either that or he just likes posting only to disagree with someone.

As Polonius said to Laertes, "Neither a liberal nor a conservative be."

[jdonn]

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

cherdano, on Nov 12 2008, 08:42 PM, said:

I have to say, Wolf, your one-line replies don't quite measure up to the general level of your watercooler contributions

Go easy on him, he is a liberal after all!

Wait, either that or he just likes posting only to disagree with someone.

As Polonius said to Laertes, "Neither a liberal nor a conservative be."

I can suck in my gut, flex my biceps, and try to convince all of you that I am Bruce Lee. But that doesn't make it true...

[Lobowolf]

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 08:56 PM, said:

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

cherdano, on Nov 12 2008, 08:42 PM, said:

I have to say, Wolf, your one-line replies don't quite measure up to the general level of your watercooler contributions

Go easy on him, he is a liberal after all!

Wait, either that or he just likes posting only to disagree with someone.

As Polonius said to Laertes, "Neither a liberal nor a conservative be."

I can suck in my gut, flex my biceps, and try to convince all of you that I am Bruce Lee. But that doesn't make it true...

Fortunately, I can pass for either a liberal or a conservative, depending on my company...all I have to do is hang out with conservatives or liberals, respectively. Nowadays, both sides do seem to have the same "If you're not one of us, you're one of them" mentality.

[jdonn]

That's it. Take a message board, use it to argue for virtually nothing but conservative principles ever, specifically making it a point to disagree with a liberal post at every chance, then blame the partisan mentality of everyone else when you get labeled!

[Lobowolf]

It's a liberal board. Let's have all the Water Cooler regulars check in for Obama or McCain...what do you think we're going to do, approximate 52-46? REMOTELY approximate it?

I'm not "blaming" anyone; I'm clarifying. I have conservative friends, and they're all against gay marriage, they're largely against abortion, most of them are Christian, and I assure you, they'd find the notion of my being a conservative as amusing as you'd find the notion of my being a liberal.


One decent litmus test...of people whose votes I know, every liberal I know voted for Obama, and every conservative I know voted for McCain.

[jdonn]

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 09:21 PM, said:

I have conservative friends, and they're all against gay marriage, they're largely against abortion, most of them are Christian, and I assure you, they'd find the notion of my being a conservative as amusing as you'd find the notion of my being a liberal.

Right I have been over that with you before. You do not commentate on Fox News so you are part of the liberal media elite.

Let me clarify and unsarcastify.

Pardon me if I don't take their opinions very seriously...

[Lobowolf]

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 09:24 PM, said:

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 09:21 PM, said:

I have conservative friends, and they're all against gay marriage, they're largely against abortion, most of them are Christian, and I assure you, they'd find the notion of my being a conservative as amusing as you'd find the notion of my being a liberal.

Right I have been over that with you before. You do not commentate on Fox News so you are part of the liberal media elite.

Let me clarify and unsarcastify.

Pardon me if I don't take their opinions very seriously...

Yes, and as for my liberal friends (and non-friends), I don't support affirmative action or illegal immigration, so I'm a neocon. Pardon me if I don't take any partisan position on either side very seriously.

[jdonn]

I have never used that word, my example was something I have heard used many many times. Sarcasm without truth is like Chuck Norris without a fist in his beard. Or something like that.

In the end alll I can tell you is if it does this like one of these then it's probably something like this.

[Lobowolf]

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 09:34 PM, said:

I have never used that word, my example was something I have heard used many many times. Sarcasm without truth is like Chuck Norris without a fist in his beard. Or something like that.

In the end alll I can tell you is if it does this like one of these then it's probably something like this.

You may have never used it (and I wasn't suggesting that you did), but like "liberal media elite," I'm sure it's a term you've heard many times. In the end, all I can tell you is that around groups that are largely liberal, I sound like a conservative; in groups that are largely conservative, I sound like a liberal; and in groups that are a balanced mix, I sound pretty close to the middle.

As you've noted, I do have a propensity to voice disagreement more than agreement. I like playing devil's advocate. Undoubtedly, this magnifies the effect.

[cherdano]

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 08:21 PM, said:

It's a liberal board. Let's have all the Water Cooler regulars check in for Obama or McCain...what do you think we're going to do, approximate 52-46? REMOTELY approximate it?

There are enough conservatives posting in the watercooler (more than 777 of them, in fact), they just seem to be unable to express a coherent thought.

[jdonn]

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

like "liberal media elite," I'm sure it's a term you've heard many times.

Not at all, I would say 5% as often. In fact I had to go to dictionary.com just to confirm to myself what I believed it meant. So either I'm oblivious or you're striking out.

BTW along the lines of what cherdano notes, I would say the liberal, conservative water cooler ratio is pretty near the actual ratio in the country. You underestimate your own numbers.

[Lobowolf]

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 09:46 PM, said:

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

like "liberal media elite," I'm sure it's a term you've heard many times.

You underestimate your own numbers.

I do? I don't recall opining as to how many small-L libertarians there are.

[cherdano]

Lobowolf, on Nov 12 2008, 08:39 PM, said:

In the end, all I can tell you is that around groups that are largely liberal, I sound like a conservative; in groups that are largely conservative, I sound like a liberal; and in groups that are a balanced mix, I sound pretty close to the middle.

Why do you keep discussing social issues with conservatives and economic issues with liberals?
(Only slightly in jest.)

[luke warm]

hrothgar, on Nov 12 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

luke warm, on Nov 13 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

if you add to the price of a car, how will that affect car sales? i mean, the big 3 are already bleeding money, begging for a bailout... i can't see how increasing the cost of the vehicle helps anything

it looks to me as if the desire for a carbon tax keeps people from looking at the bigger picture (how it will affect all of us)... now i'd be all for *cutting* taxes (even no corporate tax) on companies that had safe and reliable alternative sources of power... give companies an incentive to invest and produce

In a shocking move, Jimmy comes out in favor of tax cuts...

Seriously, is there any time that you aren't in favor of tax cuts? This comment is (essentially) meaningless noise.

Can you (or Mike) give ANY examples where you think increases taxes is the right policy decision?

equally shocking, you come out in favor of tax hikes, especially on businesses... in any case, i can't think of very many tax hikes i'd be in favor of... i especially think the progressive income tax (actually, almost any income tax) is extremely unfair

[luke warm]

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 08:46 PM, said:

luke warm, on Nov 12 2008, 06:11 PM, said:

it looks to me as if the desire for a carbon tax keeps people from looking at the bigger picture (how it will affect all of us)

I thought the bigger picture that affects all of us was EARTH. My mistake.

well look on the bright side - it won't be your last

[jdonn]

luke warm, on Nov 13 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 12 2008, 08:46 PM, said:

luke warm, on Nov 12 2008, 06:11 PM, said:

it looks to me as if the desire for a carbon tax keeps people from looking at the bigger picture (how it will affect all of us)

I thought the bigger picture that affects all of us was EARTH. My mistake.

well look on the bright side - it won't be your last

Indeed. But I wonder, how are you going to print all that wealth without trees?