[matmat]

keylime, on Nov 3 2008, 08:56 PM, said:

I'll tell the world, Wed. I'll even take a picture of the vote I had in the office pool.

limey has nader at 270

[han]

Tough choise between 317 and 328. I'll bet on 317.

[neilkaz]

jdonn, on Nov 3 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

luke warm, on Nov 3 2008, 06:29 PM, said:

neilkaz, on Nov 3 2008, 06:14 PM, said:

matmat, on Nov 3 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 3 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

Unnecessary bitterness is bad for your liver.

thought it was liquorhol.

i'm a pessimist. 271

OK I am an optimist... 268

i don't know who you are but i think i like you

He is just another in a long line of disillussioned Obama haters from Illinois, according to his profile

Just what has Senator Obama done for the state of Illinois, other than trying to get himself elected president, basically since his first day in office ?

This guy lacks the experience to be our nation's leader. OK OK Sarah Palin also lacks said experience, but she is not running to be president.

[PassedOut]

neilkaz, on Nov 3 2008, 11:58 PM, said:

This guy lacks the experience to be our nation's leader. OK OK Sarah Palin also lacks said experience, but she is not running to be president.

How many years in Washington do you think a presidential candidate requires?

[neilkaz]

PassedOut, on Nov 4 2008, 12:04 AM, said:

neilkaz, on Nov 3 2008, 11:58 PM, said:

This guy lacks the experience to be our nation's leader. OK OK Sarah Palin also lacks said experience, but she is not running to be president.

How many years in Washington do you think a presidential candidate requires?

At least 6 years(one term) actually trying to do things for their constituancy back home for a senator.

Obama has spent the first 4 years of his 6 year term trying to get elected president, noting that this country's shockingly liberal media basically crowned him as our next president, king, demi-god or whatever after his speech at the 2004 Dem convention.

Our president needs to be able to do more than speak well and look good presenting a rehearsed speech that he likely had almost no input in writing.

Obama has done nothing for us in Illinois and unless I am wrong, he will do nothing for us as Americans except to redistribute wealth to those too lazy to work.

Neither candidate properly addresses what I feel is the most pressing need to maintain America's future.. EDUCATION..... why can't anyone get a gov't sponsered student loan for college and then have it deducted from his paycheck just like taxes 'til it is paid off. I am an aging man..but years ago I paid off my student loan while so many didn't or stalled or still are in default.

My fear is that if Obama wins, I may as well go to the nearest bridge and tear up hundred dollar bills and toss them into the wind as that will be same good as my increased taxes will do. Unfortunately that is the same good as Bush's war in Iraq has done, but McCain is NOT Bush. McCain is experienced, and practical and knows how to get things done on both the national and world stages.

Bush has destroyed the Republican party for the coming decade..I wish us all the best under Democratic domination but while it will be liberal I hope it won't be radical or America will be on the road to what will, by 2020 be, at best mediocrity.

[matmat]

if one is to believe the football gods, obama will win tomorrow.

[jchiu]

$10 on 338 at 20, anyone willing to match this with $190?

[hrothgar]

keylime, on Nov 4 2008, 04:56 AM, said:

I'll tell the world, Wed. I'll even take a picture of the vote I had in the office pool.

And is there any particular reason that you're keeping this such a secret?

[luke warm]

neilkaz, on Nov 4 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

Bush has destroyed the Republican party for the coming decade..I wish us all the best under Democratic domination but while it will be liberal I hope it won't be radical or American will be on the road to what will, by 2020 be, at best mediocrity.

this is true, but don't forget his dad - he began the dismemberment, his son merely continued it

[TimG]

neilkaz, on Nov 4 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

Bush has destroyed the Republican party for the coming decade..I wish us all the best under Democratic domination but while it will be liberal I hope it won't be radical or American will be on the road to what will, by 2020 be, at best mediocrity.

What do mean by mediocrity? How are you measuring that?

[jonottawa]

I'll go with 291. He picks up Virginia and a couple of states out west but still loses FL, MO and OH.

[Al_U_Card]

luke warm, on Nov 4 2008, 08:39 AM, said:

neilkaz, on Nov 4 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

Bush has destroyed the Republican party for the coming decade..I wish us all the best under Democratic domination but while it will be liberal I hope it won't be radical or American will be on the road to what will, by 2020 be, at best mediocrity.

this is true, but don't forget his dad - he began the dismemberment, his son merely continued it

Seems to me that if you look at Obama's stances and voting history, he is more conservative than liberal (like say Hilary or.....Maverick McCain.)

[cherdano]

neilkaz, on Nov 3 2008, 11:41 PM, said:

PassedOut, on Nov 4 2008, 12:04 AM, said:

neilkaz, on Nov 3 2008, 11:58 PM, said:

This guy lacks the experience to be our nation's leader. OK OK Sarah Palin also lacks said experience, but she is not running to be president.

How many years in Washington do you think a presidential candidate requires?

At least 6 years(one term) actually trying to do things for their constituancy back home for a senator.

Obama has spent the first 4 years of his 6 year term trying to get elected president, noting that this country's shockingly liberal media basically crowned him as our next president, king, demi-god or whatever after his speech at the 2004 Dem convention.

Our president needs to be able to do more than speak well and look good presenting a rehearsed speech that he likely had almost no input in writing.

Obama has done nothing for us in Illinois and unless I am wrong, he will do nothing for us as Americans except to redistribute wealth to those too lazy to work.

Neither candidate properly addresses what I feel is the most pressing need to maintain America's future.. EDUCATION..... why can't anyone get a gov't sponsered student loan for college and then have it deducted from his paycheck just like taxes 'til it is paid off. I am an aging man..but years ago I paid off my student loan while so many didn't or stalled or still are in default.

My fear is that if Obama wins, I may as well go to the nearest bridge and tear up hundred dollar bills and toss them into the wind as that will be same good as my increased taxes will do. Unfortunately that is the same good as Bush's war in Iraq has done, but McCain is NOT Bush. McCain is experienced, and practical and knows how to get things done on both the national and world stages.

Bush has destroyed the Republican party for the coming decade..I wish us all the best under Democratic domination but while it will be liberal I hope it won't be radical or America will be on the road to what will, by 2020 be, at best mediocrity.

Very nice we didn't have someone like you in the watercooler yet, welcome!

And congratulations on making more than 250,000$ a year! (Too bad 95% of Americans are too lazy to work as hard as you do!)

Btw, did you look at the plans of the candidates with regards to education and college tuition? Just wondering.

[Lobowolf]

I'll be pleasantly surprised if nobody making under $250,000/year pays more taxes under Obama than he would have under McCain.

[jdonn]

Lobowolf, on Nov 4 2008, 01:46 PM, said:

I'll be pleasantly surprised if nobody making under $250,000/year pays more taxes under Obama than he would have under McCain.

I don't believe anyone has claimed that, the claim is merely that those people will not pay more under Obama than they pay now. However I have seen two independant conclusions, one in the wall street journal and one on cnn, that concluded people who make approximately $66,000 or less will pay less under Obama than under McCain, on average. Which is of course the vast majority of Americans.

I think neilkaz has forgotten that misplaced bitterness is bad for his liver. It's too bad most of Illinois doesn't seem to agree with him. I apologize for my own misplaced sarcasm, I didn't mean to bring on apoplexy about the millions of dollars you are going to lose as you are obviously quite wealthy to feel the way you do.

[jdonn]

BTW to get back on topic, I will post on behalf of Karl Rove.

338

[cherdano]

jdonn, on Nov 4 2008, 12:57 PM, said:

BTW to get back on topic, I will post on behalf of Karl Rove.

338

Yeah we need to commerate the moment. Hrothgar and Karl Rove agree.

[hrothgar]

cherdano, on Nov 4 2008, 10:03 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 4 2008, 12:57 PM, said:

BTW to get back on topic, I will post on behalf of Karl Rove.

338

Yeah we need to commerate the moment. Hrothgar and Karl Rove agree.

I saw Rove's prediction of 338 this morning. It was almost enough to make me change my entry... However, that didn't seem sporting.

Anyway, I'm at home now. (Take the day off work, cleaning and cooking up a storm for what I hope will be an EPIC celebration)

Serving a sichuan style hotpot, with all the fixins (meaning, I have 8 pounds of assorted tongues simmering on the stove and REALLY need to start trimming the ox hearts)

http://debfood.pbwik.../Sichuan+Hotpot

[Lobowolf]

jdonn, on Nov 4 2008, 01:53 PM, said:

the claim is merely that those people will not pay more under Obama than they pay now.

That'll be a pleasant surprise, too!

[cherdano]

Lobowolf, on Nov 4 2008, 12:46 PM, said:

I'll be pleasantly surprised if nobody making under $250,000/year pays more taxes under Obama than he would have under McCain.

Something I wanted to ask you for a while: You say you used to be a Democrat. When you started posting in the political threads in the watercooler, I think you claimed you were an "undecided voter".

With the exception of gay marriage, any political opinion you have voiced that I can remember was a conservative one. Everything you ever wrote on McCain and Obama was meant to put McCain in a more favorable light, and Obama in a less favorable.

I find this combination very hard to believe. Does my selective memory forget all the positive things you have said about Obama? Or do I misremember about you being undecided/former Democrat? If not, what on earth caused you to check "Democrat" on you voter registration years ago?