[ArtK78]

I have pointed out before, the bid of the other minor after 1m-1M-2m is Extended New Minor Forcing. Or, as it was referred to in a Bridge World article some years ago, "Extended PLOB," as Sonny Moyse referred to New Minor Forcing as that "Petty Little Odious Bid," or PLOB, for short.

[OleBerg]

jdonn, on Oct 27 2008, 11:32 PM, said:

mike777, on Oct 27 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

Hopefully we all agree now that 2d is a gameforcing  bid and does not promise a D suit.

2♦ is not game forcing.

OleBerg, on Oct 27 2008, 04:28 PM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 27 2008, 11:23 PM, said:

First one rebid 2NT if spades and diamonds are stopped, 2♥ if you don't (in which case your hearts almost surely have an honor). That's right, 2♥ on a doubleton! Trust me.

Is that forcing? If not, I need a bid for forcing hands. 3♥ on a doubleton seems a little on the wild side.

If you are too good for 2NT, you can always bid 2♥ (not 3♥) with a doubleton. Trust me, it works.

So; 2♦ is only invitational, but 2♥ are forcing?
If this is the case, I forfait.

[mike777]

ok I guess many did not agree 2d is 100% game force but if it was then responder would have to:
1) With a weak hand pass 2c very often or rebid 2h. Or rebid 3d and hope partner passes if you have a sense of humor.
2) With an invite hand, rebid 3d(4h and 6d) or rebid 3h(6h) or rebid 2nt or 3c.

that allows:
1c=1h
2c=2d
2h to be game forcing and

1c=1h
2c-2d
2?=3c be a slam try in clubs

Notice if you play Walsh you just accept showing the D suit can get lost.

[peachy]

Shows more spades than hearts. Since opener already denied 4 spades last round, he has three spades - with a stopper I would assume - and two or fewer hearts. I have not discussed in my partnerships what 2S means and I don't know what the best meaning would be, but using my logic (faulty perhaps?) this is what it must be since nothing else makes sense, IMO.

[Codo]

Thanks for the input, helped a lot.

Nobody will be surprised that my partners opinion was closer to the majority vote here: 3 spades, including a stopper.

I thought around one of the lines Adam suggested, intending to ask for a stopper.

We reached the best spot anyway, but justice rewarded our opponents, each game is down on this particular hand.

[mike777]

Codo, on Oct 28 2008, 02:41 AM, said:

Thanks for the input, helped a lot.

Nobody will be surprised that my partners opinion was closer to the majority vote here: 3 spades, including a stopper.

I thought around one of the lines Adam suggested, intending to ask for a stopper.

We reached the best spot anyway, but justice rewarded our opponents, each game is down on this particular hand.

hmm well i guess 2d was not a 100% game force ?....