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Is this a 2H Opener?

Poll: Is this a 2H Opener? (60 member(s) have cast votes)

Is this a 2H Opener?

  1. yes (40 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  2. no (20 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-October-23, 10:30

Matchpoints, All White, First Seat

♠QJx ♥QT98xx ♦Jx ♣xx

Would you open this 2♥?
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Posted 2008-October-23, 10:37

I think I wouldn't, the hand is too flat and has too many queens and jacks.

It's white at MPs though, tempting!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-October-23, 10:37

It is for me.
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Posted 2008-October-23, 10:44

Yes I would definitely open 2♥ at all white.
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Posted 2008-October-23, 10:59

It depends on style.

If that is a 2♥ opener, is this also a 2♥ Opener?


Kxx
KQJTxx
xxxx
x

I don't like wide style preempts, but I have no problem playing constructive or destructive preempts.
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Posted 2008-October-23, 11:23

Agree it's completely a style question and also something that should be disclosed.* This would probably be a weak 2H playing with Jason at these colors and position. Playing with Phil, we have a mini multi (for which this would definitely qualify) but that doesn't really answer the question.

*By disclose I mean by whatever is appropriate where you play and to be very open with a description of your style to your opponents should they inquire.
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Posted 2008-October-23, 11:28

I hope when I will be older I'll stop opening these hands, until then I'll just settle for all the good results.
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Posted 2008-October-23, 11:34

ASkolnick, on Oct 23 2008, 11:59 AM, said:

If that is a 2♥ opener, is this also a 2♥ Opener?


Kxx
KQJTxx
xxxx
x

Does anybody open 2H with that????
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-October-23, 11:56

ASkolnick, on Oct 23 2008, 05:59 PM, said:

It depends on style.

If that is a 2♥ opener, is this also a 2♥ Opener?


Kxx
KQJTxx
xxxx
x

I don't like wide style preempts, but I have no problem playing constructive or destructive preempts.

This is a TD call...
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Posted 2008-October-23, 12:25

Free, on Oct 23 2008, 12:56 PM, said:

ASkolnick, on Oct 23 2008, 05:59 PM, said:

It depends on style.

If that is a 2♥ opener, is this also a 2♥ Opener?


Kxx
KQJTxx
xxxx
x

I don't like wide style preempts, but I have no problem playing constructive or destructive preempts.

This is a TD call...

What if I just put the club in my pocket, and open 1♥? :)
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Posted 2008-October-23, 12:40

I'd open 2♥ but I open everything 2♥
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Posted 2008-October-24, 04:32

No. (my vote)

Yes.

No.

Yes.

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Posted 2008-October-24, 05:22

Too many quacks
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Posted 2008-October-24, 15:50

Not for me, but swap the ♦J into ♥s for the same distribution and same points etc and I don't think I could stop myself. Even though it is still very quacky.

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Posted 2008-October-24, 16:13

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If that is a 2♥ opener, is this also a 2♥ Opener?


Kxx
KQJTxx
xxxx
x


No, that's 3♥. Just stick with the program, okay it's probably anti-field but that's true for the opponents too.
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Posted 2008-October-25, 03:28

No. Too many values outside of hearts. I am old school. I want three of the top five honors to preempt white against white.
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Posted 2008-October-27, 06:17

Tcyk, on Oct 25 2008, 04:28 AM, said:

No. Too many values outside of hearts. I am old school. I want three of the top five honors to preempt white against white.

:P some of the best results I have seen at the table with weak 2's have occurred with 1st or 2nd seat holding a 6 card suit headed by the J. You only have to look at the statistical success of garbage 5-4 holdings opened with 2 bids to see the benefit. But like yourself, something that does not come naturally to me.

On this hand I would open 2♥ every time nv. Out of interest, does anyone still vary the requirements of a weak 2 with the vulnerability?
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Posted 2008-October-27, 07:45

barryallen, on Oct 27 2008, 04:17 AM, said:

On this hand I would open 2♥ every time nv. Out of interest, does anyone still vary the requirements of a weak 2 with the vulnerability?

I do and I don't think I'm alone in this regard (or even wrong).
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Posted 2008-October-27, 07:57

Yes, your right I had 14 cards in that example. But I do think that people who constantly open on Jxxxxx empty wind up getting caught in higher levels of competition.

Pros:
1) Blocking bids
2) Partner sometimes has a fit

Cons:
1) Can go for number
2) Interferes with constructive bidding if you have that hand.

I think KQJxxx and an outside K is NOT an opening hand, but I have no problem preempting it 2 Hearts. But I usually play rather constructive preempts. If I do that, how can partner tell the hand

Qxx
Jxxxxx
Kxx
x

versus the one I mentioned. I am not saying either style is better, just I don't think its wise to play both.
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Posted 2008-October-27, 09:34

barryallen, on Oct 27 2008, 06:17 AM, said:

On this hand I would open 2♥ every time nv. Out of interest, does anyone still vary the requirements of a weak 2 with the vulnerability?

Everybody does. The extent to which people vary their requirements varies enormously, though.
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