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4NT before trumps agreed Can it be Blackwood?

#21 User is offline   peachy 

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Posted 2008-October-16, 23:23

This auction *doesn't exist*. Quantitative, in particular makes no sense. If it did happen, I would think the bidder has not played bridge very long; therefore I would assume Blackwood and assume responder has some biggish hand and does not know exactly how to go about showing it all.
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Posted 2008-October-17, 00:50

Kingside, on Oct 16 2008, 09:32 AM, said:

After a sequence 1C - 1D - 1S - 4NT , is the 4NT unambiguous ? Is it a matter of partership agreement  or does it have a defined meaning? e.g quantitative or agreeing Spades?

YES IF PLAYING KICKBACK....4NT IS RKC...EASY..this is simple .......really simple!

btw one spade showed unbalanced hand........5clubs and 4 spades and maybe a stiff or void somewhere often...very often!
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Posted 2008-October-17, 00:57

Quantitative doesnt really make no sense because partner hand may be unbalanced and wide-ranging.

So by default its RKC.
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Posted 2008-October-17, 01:11

That bid is key card for spades in every partnership I'm a part of. I don't even see a hand where quantitative would be useful, frankly. Aside from the hands where I have spades, of which some good examples have been given I might even have a hand like QJx AK AKQJTxx x, and be deciding between 6 diamonds or 7 no trump.
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Posted 2008-October-17, 02:43

Thanks for all the input - not sure what the consensus is - other than dont use that auction. I was concerned because my partner on that hand was an "expert".
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Posted 2008-October-17, 12:54

Kingside, on Oct 17 2008, 03:43 AM, said:

Thanks for all the input - not sure what the consensus is - other than dont use that auction. I was concerned because my partner on that hand was an "expert".

I have some doubt whether he really is an expert. An expert would set the suit first if he wanted to RKC, and certainly would not use 4NT out of the blue as quantitative when opener's hand is still undefined as to strength.
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Posted 2008-October-17, 14:51

peachy, on Oct 17 2008, 01:54 PM, said:

Kingside, on Oct 17 2008, 03:43 AM, said:

Thanks for all the input - not sure what the consensus is - other than dont use that auction. I was concerned because my partner on that hand was an "expert".

I have some doubt whether he really is an expert. An expert would set the suit first if he wanted to RKC, and certainly would not use 4NT out of the blue as quantitative when opener's hand is still undefined as to strength.

Well a real expert will play practical bridge,
i.e. he wont risk a long convoluted auction,
which partner may or may not understand,
going via FSF is always dangerous, since
there is no universal standard.

So if he believed, that RKCB would help him
to decide, which level to play, he would choose
the bid, keep it simpe.

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Marlowe
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