[kgr]

1D-(1S)-2H-(p)
3C-(p)-3H
Is 3H forcing (playing Sayc with a pick up)?

[helene_t]

No, the auction is consistent with opener having 5-5 minors and 11 points and responder 6 hearts and 10 points so we could already be too high and hoping that 3♥ doesn't get doubled.

[han]

No.

[kgr]

Seems clearly non-forcing
1D-(1S)-2H-(p)
3C-(p)-
You have:
xx=AKQxxx=Qx=Kxx
What do you bid?
4H, 3S followed by 4H?
 
Here you Hearts are good enough to bid 4H, but what with:
Ax=KJxxxx=Qx=Kxx

[P_Marlowe]

I voted No.

Just two comments:

With a pickup p, the auction is nonforcing.

In a regular SAYC partnership, I would assume, that
3C did create a GF, hence 3H is forcing.
I would treat it similar too an Acol seq., where 2H
would just be RF, but 3C would promise add. strength,
making the seq. GF.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

kgr, on Oct 15 2008, 06:53 AM, said:

Seems clearly non-forcing
1D-(1S)-2H-(p)
3C-(p)-
You have:
xx=AKQxxx=Qx=Kxx
What do you bid?
4H, 3S followed by 4H?
 
Here you Hearts are good enough to bid 4H, but what with:
Ax=KJxxxx=Qx=Kxx

The issue is not, what the 3H bidder holds,
but what 3C did promise.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[han]

To require extra values for 3C seems a very bad idea to me.

[FrancesHinden]

han, on Oct 15 2008, 01:43 PM, said:

To require extra values for 3C seems a very bad idea to me.

and me

[Flame]

I think we ca make some simple rules: wheever a 2 of opener suit is avaliable like in 1H-1S-2D-P, a bid like 3C creates a GF, but when 2 of opener's suit isnt avaliable like in this post then this bid isnt creating a GF.
in any case a bid above 3 of opener's suit like in 1C-1S-2H-P- 3D creates a GF.

[kgr]

I accept that 3C does not have to promise extra's (..Is 3C forcing?) and that 3H is not forcing. Now I wonder what to bid with following 2 hands:

1D-(1S)-2H-(p)
3C-(p)-
You have:
xx=AKQxxx=Qx=Kxx
What do you bid?
4H, 3S followed by 4H?

Here your Hearts are good enough to bid 4H, but what with:
Ax=KJxxxx=Qx=Kxx

[P_Marlowe]

Flame, on Oct 15 2008, 08:41 AM, said:

I think we ca make some simple rules: wheever a 2 of opener suit is avaliable like in 1H-1S-2D-P, a bid like 3C creates a GF, but when 2 of opener's suit isnt avaliable like in this post then this bid isnt creating a GF.
in any case a bid above 3 of opener's suit like in 1C-1S-2H-P- 3D creates a GF.

... I agree.

I simply overlooked the fact that 2D was not allowed,
and that opener has to find a bid with 5-5.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[han]

Playing that 3H is NF creates problems, on the example hands you would like to bid 3H but you can't. This is very common in bride and you'll just have to make the best of it.

I think you'll start with 3S on both hands, then wait to see how fast partner bids 3NT. (I'm joking Phil and Josh!)

[jdonn]

han, on Oct 15 2008, 09:18 AM, said:

Playing that 3H is NF creates problems, on the example hands you would like to bid 3H but you can't. This is very common in bride and you'll just have to make the best of it.

I think you'll start with 3S on both hands, then wait to see how fast partner bids 3NT. (I'm joking Phil and Josh!)

Definitely 3♠. And han doesn't joke, he simply makes snide remarks.