Another judgment call
#1
Posted 2008-October-13, 07:44
White on Red
Two passes to you
You hold
S xx
H QJ87
D xxx
C KQT9
What's your plan?
#3
Posted 2008-October-13, 11:44
#4
Posted 2008-October-13, 11:48
#5
Posted 2008-October-13, 11:51
gnasher, on Oct 13 2008, 08:48 PM, said:
Same here
#6
Posted 2008-October-13, 12:10
I would probably pass though, sorry.
- hrothgar
#7
Posted 2008-October-13, 12:12
hrothgar, on Oct 13 2008, 12:51 PM, said:
gnasher, on Oct 13 2008, 08:48 PM, said:
Same here
In Richard's case, it might be better to say he has "graduated" rather than "grown out of".
#8
Posted 2008-October-13, 12:17
When I open a crappy hand in 3rd, there's a purpose to the bid.
Some possible hops would be:
1. Getting in a lead director
2. Taking up space
3. Making it easier for our side to compete later.
Opening 1♥ accomplishes #2 (to a degree). Opening 1♣ gets us #1 but fails miserably at 2 and 3.
Sometimes winning bridge means 'walking down the hill'.
#9
Posted 2008-October-13, 12:27
If there weren't any negatives (like getting nailed in silly contracts or partner not being able to trust any of your 3rd seat openings) then I'd say that passing would miss out on a big opportunity. As it is I think the negatives probably outweigh the positives but at matchpoints (was it?), white against red with a good lead director, it sure is tempting to get in there and create some action.
- hrothgar
#10
Posted 2008-October-13, 12:34
pclayton, on Oct 13 2008, 01:17 PM, said:
You're on the right track.
#11
Posted 2008-October-13, 12:43
The argument that 1C doesn't do damage is similar to the idea that a natural 1M overcall over a precision 1C opening isn't useful, or that a natural 2D opening isn't a difficult preempt to deal with. Any of those competitive auctions tends to be tougher for the opponents than if you pass. And if partner can raise, it will probably be much tougher.
I'll shut up now.
- hrothgar
#12
Posted 2008-October-13, 14:37
han, on Oct 13 2008, 10:43 AM, said:
The argument that 1C doesn't do damage is similar to the idea that a natural 1M overcall over a precision 1C opening isn't useful, or that a natural 2D opening isn't a difficult preempt to deal with. Any of those competitive auctions tends to be tougher for the opponents than if you pass. And if partner can raise, it will probably be much tougher.
I'll shut up now.
Han I am well aware that a 1♣ opening may lead to a potentially awkward auction by the opponents. If they overcall, they may have a more difficult auction because of the wide range, but they also have cuebids and a takeout double available. I realize that good things happen when we bid in this position, but one has to have limits. Switch the round suits and I would open 1♥. I'm just not comfortable open this, passing pard's 1♠, and having pard compete to 2♠ on his own. When I open a minor, partner has a right to play me for a better hand.
You completely ignore the problems partner will face. How high is he to compete? What should be doubling?
You also ignore the information that you are giving your opponents when you open the bidding.
#13
Posted 2008-October-13, 15:12
pclayton, on Oct 13 2008, 09:37 PM, said:
Han hasn't ignored these. In fact, he said that the disadvantages of 1♣ include "getting nailed in silly contracts" and "partner not being able to trust any of your 3rd seat openings", and that these were sufficient to outweigh the advantages.
#14
Posted 2008-October-13, 16:22
Hopefully, pard won't be expecting the world for this bid.
#15
Posted 2008-October-13, 16:34
#16
Posted 2008-October-13, 16:48
TimG, on Oct 13 2008, 12:12 PM, said:
hrothgar, on Oct 13 2008, 12:51 PM, said:
gnasher, on Oct 13 2008, 08:48 PM, said:
Same here
In Richard's case, it might be better to say he has "graduated" rather than "grown out of".
LOL
#17
Posted 2008-October-13, 19:54
-P.J. Painter.
#18
Posted 2008-October-13, 21:07
--Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.
#20
Posted 2008-October-14, 08:02
We may get another chance.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)