[han]

J9xxxxx
AQxx
AJ
-

p - p - 1D - 1S
p - 1NT - p - ??

[OleBerg]

2♦, make a plan later.

[P_Marlowe]

2S.

It is either 2S or 3S, but since I dont believe,
that 4S will have a lot of play most of the time
I go low.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[InTime]

2S

Partner is a passed hand, have probably values in clubs which is duplication.

[pclayton]

OleBerg, on Oct 12 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

2♦, make a plan later.

Agree. 2♦ should be a frequent choice when we have a full opening bid as an overcaller opposite a 1N response.

Our 'plan' will largely be based on on what partner bids.

[han]

If you bid 2D then partner bids 2H.

[pclayton]

han, on Oct 12 2008, 01:10 PM, said:

If you bid 2D then partner bids 2H.

This 12 count just became huge. Even slam is possible opposite something like:
Ax Kxxx, xxx, Axxx.

I will splinter over 2♥.

[han]

If you splinter, partner signs off in 4H.

[gnasher]

pclayton, on Oct 12 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

This 12 count just became huge. Even slam is possible opposite something like:
Ax Kxxx, xxx, Axxx.

How do you plan to play it?

[han]

gnasher, on Oct 12 2008, 05:57 PM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 12 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

This 12 count just became huge. Even slam is possible opposite something like:
Ax Kxxx, xxx, Axxx.

How do you plan to play it?

I would win the diamond lead, cash a high heart from hand and cross to dummy in hearts. Now club ace for a diamond pitch. Then ace and another spade. If they are 2-2 then you can claim. If 3-1 then you have to hope that the person with long spades has 2 hearts.

Of course you have no chance if herts are 4-1 or spades 4-0.

I think looking for slam is too much btw, figuring out the best (if any) game will be hard enough.

[gnasher]

3♠. Even opposite wastage in the minors, 4♠ will often still be good. eg xx Kxx Kxxx Kxxx.

I'm not at all interested in playing in hearts.

[pclayton]

gnasher, on Oct 12 2008, 03:07 PM, said:

3♠. Even opposite wastage in the minors, 4♠ will often still be good. eg xx Kxx Kxxx Kxxx.

I'm not at all interested in playing in hearts.

I doubt this crappy minimum moves over 3♠ Gnasher.

Why don't you want to play to play in hearts? You even have a little protection against a tap.

[gnasher]

pclayton, on Oct 13 2008, 01:47 AM, said:

I doubt this crappy minimum moves over 3♠ Gnasher.

I'd like to be able to show a 3♠ bid that needs heart cards, but I'm not sure that I can. Maybe 2♦-2♠-3♥ would do the job.

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Why don't you want to play to play in hearts? You even have a little protection against a tap.

Have you tried constructing a hand where 4♥ is better than 4♠?

[han]

gnasher, on Oct 13 2008, 01:41 AM, said:

Have you tried constructing a hand where 4♥ is better than 4♠?

This was my thought as well. I bid 4S since I didn't think partner would have much of a clue when to bid 4 and not to. Partner had - ♥Kxxx ♦Qxxx ♣KJxxx, spades split 4-2 so I was down 1.

[jdonn]

1 - I was partner (and I'm not proud of my 1NT bid).
2 - I have always played and will always play that 2♦ is NATURAL on this auction.

[han]

You never told me what you would have bid with my hand Josh. 3S?

[pclayton]

gnasher, on Oct 12 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

Have you tried constructing a hand where 4♥ is better than 4♠?

x, KJxx Qxxx KQTx?

x xxxxx Kxx AQJx?

Our biggest tap threat is in clubs, not diamonds. Sometimes LHO leads the opening bidder's suit.

[gnasher]

pclayton, on Oct 13 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

x, KJxx Qxxx KQTx?

x xxxxx Kxx AQJx?

Yes, very nice. I was expecting you to proffer a hand with five hearts, but the other one is quite impressive.