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game level decision

Poll: your call (28 member(s) have cast votes)

your call

  1. pass (2 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  2. Double (17 votes [60.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.71%

  3. 4s (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  4. 5c (1 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

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#1 User is offline   Apollo81 

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Posted 2008-October-09, 08:37

All Vul, IMPs

Kx
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AK10xx
K98xx

(1)-2-(2)-2-(4)-?
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Posted 2008-October-09, 08:41

X.

I am assuming that 2S was not based on garbage.
If it was constructive: I control the minors, partner
controls spades, where are their tricks coming from?

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Marlowe
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Posted 2008-October-09, 09:44

Double, partner won't always do the right thing whatever that is, but he has a fair shot (at least between pass and 4.)
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-October-09, 10:03

x. I'm happy with whatever pard decides. Although I would probably prefer that he sit.
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Posted 2008-October-09, 10:10

4. Aren't you supposed always to do that over 4? Put it this way - if partner opened a vulnerable weak 2, would you not raise him to four?
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Posted 2008-October-09, 10:37

If partner has a hand that would have opened a vulnerable weak 2, won't he take out my takeout double?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-October-09, 10:59

gnasher, on Oct 9 2008, 05:37 PM, said:

If partner has a hand that would have opened a vulnerable weak 2, won't he take out my takeout double?

Is this obviously a take-out double?
I admit I'm not certain what it is, but if partner opened a weak 2S, they bid 4H and I doubled, that would certainly be penalties.
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Posted 2008-October-09, 11:54

4. A lot of bidding going on - must be a lot of distribution - so not a big penalty. Partner cannot have worse than QJ10XX of spades and the ace of clubs - can she?
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Posted 2008-October-09, 12:02

4. I don't think we'll get rich defending 4. And if I double, partner must have something special to take it out.
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Posted 2008-October-09, 12:43

FrancesHinden, on Oct 9 2008, 05:59 PM, said:

Is this obviously a take-out double?
I admit I'm not certain what it is, but if partner opened a weak 2S, they bid 4H and I doubled, that would certainly be penalties.

Partner's hand is much more vaguely defined than after a weak two - he can have between five and seven spades, and in strength he's limited only by his failure to double and bid 3, which would be game-forcing. That seems reason enough to play it as takeout.

In those of my partnerships where the notes read "Double is takeout, except ...", one of the exceptions would be "partner has shown a defined one-suiter". I don't think this sequence falls into that category, though maybe I should insert "well-" before "defined".
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-October-09, 13:51

I don't double enough with these hands, but I would double here and it is not take out. Pd may take it out with a surprising length, like a 7. spade or a 4. diamond f.e.
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Posted 2008-October-10, 14:37

I bid 4, which should have gone down one, but it was misdefended. If I had doubled, this would have been pulled to 5, which is down 1 and cannot be realistically misdefended. Pass results in a small plus, probably 100.
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