[rogerclee]

IMPs, Red vs White, First Seat

♠K ♥AKJTxxx ♦Jxx ♣Ax

1♥ - (4♠) - P - (P)
?

[P_Marlowe]

They got you.

At any other vulnerability, we can start talking
about 5H or X (very speculative), but at the
given I will pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pclayton]

Dude I ♥ to bid 5♥ but you can't here. If you ever bid 5♥ with this collection you are flat out owned.

[gwnn]

Phil passed, the thread can be closed now.

[dburn]

Suppose I posted a poll like this:

♠532 ♥643 ♦KQ7 ♣K642

Partner opens 1♥. RHO bids 4♠. What call do you make?

How many votes do you think there would be for any action other than pass? If you think there would be any at all, remove the king of clubs from the hand above and then tell me how many votes you think there would be for any action other than pass.

Yet in both cases, it is right to bid 5♥ with the original poster's hand (in the former case because it will make, in the latter case because 4♠ will probably make). I would not go so far as to say that if you pass out 4♠ you are "flat out owned", because I am not sure I know what the phrase means. I would, however, go so far as to say that the question is perhaps not as clear as pclayton thinks.

[Walddk]

gwnn, on Oct 9 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

Phil passed, the thread can be closed now.

I reopen the thread by bidding 5♥. No guarantee of success, but I prefer the active risk rather than the passive one. Hope I have understanding team-mates if I come back with -1100.

Roland

[peachy]

Do we know what kind of opponents before deciding what to do? I haven't voted.

[fred]

I think this is an interesting question:

Would your answer be different if your long suit was clubs?

Why or why not?

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[MickyB]

fred, on Oct 9 2008, 03:12 PM, said:

I think this is an interesting question:

Would your answer be different if your long suit was clubs?

Why or why not?

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

Yes, I think mine would be. There are a lot of hands where partner would have bid 5H over 4S, safe in the knowledge that we have five, but would not have bid 5C opposite a 1C opening with the same hand with his hearts and clubs reversed.

This doesn't have to be enough to tip the balance; But, for me, I think it would be.

[han]

When I was given this hand yesterday I bid 5H, after squirming for a while.

[Mosene]

I would bid 5♥'s and I would bid 5 ♣ if the club and heart suits were switched. But bidding is not my strong suit (neither is declarer play or defense for that matter).

What is the range for a 4 spade bid here? How strong can it be? How weak can it be without partner doubling.

[awm]

Now for something completely different....

I would've opened 4♥. If I played something like namyats I would show a good 4♥ bid.

Assuming the auction goes 4♥-(4♠) I feel fairly comfortable leaving the decision to partner here. I don't have so much defense that I feel compelled to double if 4♠ passes to me.

Under the given conditions where I opened 1♥ and I am red/white, I would pass 4♠. Obviously this can sometimes be quite bad, but I suspect that most of the time 5♥ is failing and the vulnerability makes it unlikely to be a good sacrifice. At equal colors I would bid 5♥. If I held clubs, I would bid 5♣ for the reason MickyB suggests.

[the hog]

To tell you the truth, I don't know what the right answer is. (First for me.) I would probably pass, but am very unhappy about it. If a teammate or partner bid 5H and this went for a number, I hope I would be understanding.

[dake50]

5H.
7-suit to AKJ. This is unexpectable suit to believe partner expecting a 12-count, 5-suit saw the offensive potential. Besides they may still sac 5S ..NOT.