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takeout X or punitive X ? Is this X Punitive?

#1 User is offline   precpj 

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Posted 2008-October-08, 16:14

the bidding went 1H 2D Pass Pass X Pass Pass 3C X Pass ?

2/1 is the system played by the 1H opener and his partner.

Q: What is this second X by the 1H opener ?

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Posted 2008-October-08, 16:39

In my opinion :D , since partner left the 2D bid in for penalty this double must also be for penalty. I think it must be "we are going to double whatever they bid" time.
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Posted 2008-October-08, 16:42

Yep.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-October-08, 16:49

1H - (2D) - Pass - (Pass)
X - (Pass) - Pass (3C)
X - (Pass) - ...

The 2nd X is for penalty, but promises add.
strength.
The first said, hey partner I am short in diamonds,
have no 6 card heart suit / no real offensive hand,
typically 5431, 5332.
The 2nd double showes values in the suit and add.
strength, since partner did not promise anything
passing out 2D.

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Posted 2008-October-09, 11:28

Clear penalty.
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Posted 2008-October-09, 16:03

many thanks for the replies.

at the table the 1H opener was holding S AQXX H AKXXX D AKX C X
his partner ( me) with S XXXXX H XX D QJ9XX C X

In his shoes, I think a clear 2S bid would be my style . if I went along with the X, I would have to foce myself with a 3D cue which seemed to strongly imply a 4 cards spade with extra HCPs.

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Posted 2008-October-09, 16:28

3♠ bid over the 2nd X is very clear. 2♠ over the first double nearly as clear.
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Posted 2008-October-09, 16:55

TylerE, on Oct 9 2008, 05:28 PM, said:

3♠ bid over the 2nd X is very clear. 2♠ over the first double nearly as clear.

I agree.

Passing the reopening out is only an option,
if the reopening already promised add. strength,
which it does usually not.

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Posted 2008-October-09, 17:08

Perhaps the widely-held notion that 2-level overcalls should be based on long strong suits is overrated :)

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