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Poll: 1H-1S-2D-? (47 member(s) have cast votes)

1H-1S-2D-?

  1. 2N nat invite (2 votes [4.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.26%

  2. 3C 4th suit GF (31 votes [65.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.96%

  3. 3D nat invite (6 votes [12.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.77%

  4. 3S nat invite (5 votes [10.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.64%

  5. 3N (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 4D nat GF (2 votes [4.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.26%

  7. Gerber! (1 votes [2.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.13%

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#1 User is offline   rbforster 

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Posted 2008-October-01, 23:28

Partner opens 1♥ and you respond unopposed with this roughly "invitational" hand:

1♥-1♠
2♦-?

Your rebid.
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Posted 2008-October-01, 23:50

none of the above..

I try 2s now.

worried pard may have:

x
AQTxx
A9xx
xxx

Diamond suit often gets lost in this 2/1 style.
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Posted 2008-October-02, 00:39

I guess 2♠ is reasonable if partner can have a 5-4 10 count, but then this hand isn't invitational. I'm assuming "standard" openings, say a minimum of 12 points unless you've got some nice shape.
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Posted 2008-October-02, 00:41

mike777, on Oct 1 2008, 11:50 PM, said:

none of the above..

I try 2s now.

worried pard may have:

x
AQTxx
A9xx
xxx

Diamond suit often gets lost in this 2/1 style.

Game often gets lost when you underbid by a king.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
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Posted 2008-October-02, 02:13

cherdano, on Oct 2 2008, 07:41 AM, said:

Game often gets lost when you underbid by a king.

2♠ would still be a bit of an underbid even with AJxxxx x K10xx xx. I think I'd bid 3♦ with that.

On the originally posted hand, I'd bid 3♣, planning to bid game in diamonds unless I heard of spade support.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-October-02, 03:01

3C, wtp?

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Posted 2008-October-02, 03:42

4D
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2008-October-02, 09:11

So apparently the hand I gave was too good and almost everyone forced to game.

I guess my real question was what to do with the hand if you weaken it enough that you're unwilling to force to game (hence the "invitational" reference). For example,

AJxxxx
x
KTxx
Jx

or

KJxxxx
x
JTxx
Kx

Any more thoughts?
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Posted 2008-October-02, 09:44

If a hand like this is not good enough for force to game (although this one probably is), you bid 3♦. I don't see this as much of a problem with lousy spades.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-October-02, 09:48

Agree, with the original hand I'd force to game and with the 9-count I'd bid 3D. Make it AQJxxx x K10xx xx though and I'd rebid 3S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-October-02, 09:53

3♦ forcing. Oh that's not an option? Damn.

3♣ then.
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Posted 2008-October-03, 02:39

This is a game force.
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Posted 2008-October-04, 09:39

Even for me this is a GF.

A little weaker, and I'd raise to 3♦.
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Posted 2008-October-06, 06:37

Rob F, on Oct 2 2008, 10:11 AM, said:

So apparently the hand I gave was too good and almost everyone forced to game.

I guess my real question was what to do with the hand if you weaken it enough that you're unwilling to force to game (hence the "invitational" reference). For example,
<snip>

Show the fit and invite.

If 2S would show an inv. and 6 spades,
this would be fine as well, but I wont by
pass 3D to show a 6 card suit.

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