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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2008-October-01, 01:07

Scoring: IMP

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Posted 2008-October-01, 01:23

1D (1) - 1H
1S (2) - 3S (3)
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=> 6S, because you are missing the Queen

(1) I though for a short time about 2C, but
I wont be able to show the 6-4, and if I
get another chance after 1D, I have an
easy forcing rebid
(2) forcing, else 2S, but it does not matter,
I am not even sure, 1S promising an
unbalanced hand would help
(3) limit, the diamonds fit is buried

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Posted 2008-October-01, 01:39

typical.....open 2c.... typical use rkc......easy......I know.... know both are forbidden on forums.

2c=2d(random ace or king)
3d(3 loser hand)=4d
4h(rkc)=4nt(1-4)
5s(k of s, confirm all keycards, grand try)=7d


easy..bid 2c and then rkc...both forbotten on forums :)
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Posted 2008-October-01, 06:27

If south opens 2♣, surely north is worth a 2♥ (natural) answer? That would pretty much tell the location of the K♥, and then I think you're bound to wind up in slam.

I suspect, though, that it's easier to end up in the inferior ♠ slam than the superior ♦ slam.

But maybe the advanceds will prove me wrong.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2008-October-01, 06:29

2C 2H : 3D 4D: 4N 5D : 7D

2C - I can rebid 3S over 2D to show 4 spades and longer diamonds.

3D - giving up on spades now

7D - pard is showing KQxxx of hearts, 3+ diamonds and ace of clubs. Hope diamonds are 2-2 or pard has DT or HJ.
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Posted 2008-October-01, 06:40

Edit: I guess you do want to be in 7♦.
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Posted 2008-October-01, 08:13

1♦ - 1♥
2♠ - 3♠
4♣ - 4♥
4NT - 5♣
5♦ - 5♠
6♠
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Posted 2008-October-01, 08:31

At the table, partner and I replicated Free's auction exactly. But 7♦ is an awfully nice contract...
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Posted 2008-October-01, 13:34

I'm not sure that 7♦ is such a nice contract. After a ♣ lead you need some good placing of cards. ♥ 3-3 is still ok, but when they are 4-2 and trumps don't split 2-2, you still need to find the ♠s: either a finesse or a squeeze. (I'm not an expert in percentages)
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Posted 2008-October-01, 13:45

Free, on Oct 1 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

I'm not sure that 7♦ is such a nice contract.  After a ♣ lead you need some good placing of cards.  ♥ 3-3 is still ok, but when they are 4-2 and trumps don't split 2-2, you still need to find the ♠s: either a finesse or a squeeze.  (I'm not an expert in percentages)

A 3-3 or a 2-2 with a 4-2 or a finesse or stiff Q offside (and I'm not even saying this is the best line) is really quite good odds. And that's all assuming the best lead.

Why not bid 6♥ over 5♠? Still searching for a grand but off the trump queen, so your interest is obviously in some other suit. I don't think he will expect you are offering hearts as a possible suit since if you are expecting a spade loser, that means you don't expect a diamond loser, so you must have solid diamonds. Partner would at least offer 7♦ on the way to 7♥ with his hand even if he thought your interest might be in hearts.
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Posted 2008-October-01, 13:46

Free, on Oct 1 2008, 11:34 AM, said:

I'm not sure that 7♦ is such a nice contract. After a ♣ lead you need some good placing of cards. ♥ 3-3 is still ok, but when they are 4-2 and trumps don't split 2-2, you still need to find the ♠s: either a finesse or a squeeze. (I'm not an expert in percentages)

7♦ is fine.

We make when hearts are 3-3 (36%), trumps are 2-2 and hearts are 4-2 (combined .64 x .4 x .42 =~ an additional 12%) + the spade finesse (or Q stiff offside; an additional 27%) = 75%. Without that trump spot its still right to bid, but not as clear.

There's a little for extra squeeze chances against West, but only when West is 4=4 in the majors, otherwise we'll have to guess between the spade finesse / squeeze.
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Posted 2008-October-02, 16:17

I dont think i would reach 7D but ill probably play 6D not 6S. With AKxx and facing possibly 4 small 6D could easily a better spot and i would bid 5Nt PAS to suggest alternative trump suit.
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Posted 2008-October-02, 16:39

If PD or I open 2♣ I'd hope to reach 7♦ via v66's auction, but if opening 1♦ I'd almost certainly not get past 6♠ and likely via Free's auction.
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Posted 2008-October-05, 06:08

Free, on Oct 1 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

I'm not sure that 7♦ is such a nice contract.  After a ♣ lead you need some good placing of cards.  ♥ 3-3 is still ok, but when they are 4-2 and trumps don't split 2-2, you still need to find the ♠s: either a finesse or a squeeze.  (I'm not an expert in percentages)

Would you bid a grand slam on an 8 card fit headed by the AKQ? If you answer yes to that you have so many opportunities with 7♦ to make it of a similar risk.
bridge is never always a game of exact, for those times it's all about percentages, partner and the opponents.
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