[Edmunte1]

Playing in a IMP tournament, you hold as South:

pass-(1♣)-pass-(3♣)
?

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1♣-better minor
3♣-preemptive

Do you come back in bussiness?

[rogerclee]

Double.

[cherdano]

rogerclee, on Sep 27 2008, 01:54 PM, said:

Double.

Quadruple.

[SlickRicky]

Hi,

This is a clear double, game is still in play opposite the right weak NT hand type or we could compete for the partscore. Additionally since we're a PH partner cannot get carried away.

Ricky

[ArtK78]

Partner getting carried away is not the issue. Walking into a big balanced hand on your left is the issue.

Consider that partner did not act in direct seat over 1♣ and RHO then preempted. Partner cannot have more than 4 clubs on this auction (LHO must have at least 3, and RHO must have at least 5 unless he is insane). I would guess that, on average, partner would have 3 clubs on this auction, but he could have less. And partner did not have an overcall or a double. So, while it is not unreasonable to expect to find some suitable cards in partner's hand for a major suit partial, it is also not out of the question that the balance of power is on your left.

As far as finding a major suit game, that is probably wishful thinking.

Double here is definitely not without danger.

[jdonn]

Double wtp not vul. Double anyway vul.

[Free]

Double

[the hog]

My partner could not find a bid over 1C? This is an incredibly easy pass. Bidders are result merchants methinks!

[655321]

Double

[gwnn]

The_Hog, on Sep 28 2008, 12:11 PM, said:

Bidders are result merchants methinks!

Are you suggesting we have somehow hacked in Edmunte's hand records, found the deal and found out that double is right and now everyone's denying?

Double. It's not like partner will "take us seriously" - as a passed hand the range of this action is very tight. Also the chances of finding a fit are good and the ones of going for a number are very low. In fact, often it's them who are due to go for a number, we have two aces!

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Sep 28 2008, 05:11 AM, said:

My partner could not find a bid over 1C? This is an incredibly easy pass. Bidders are result merchants methinks!

We are all very glad to see you came to learn today.

Today's lesson, obvious bids that everyone else but you sees. Tomorrow's lesson, result merchanting without knowing the result!

[awm]

Wow if I could result merchant before seeing the results, I'd get a lot better results.

I'll double. I think this is a much harder problem if we were not a passed hand, because we would then face the additional danger that partner might expect more than we have for the double and get carried away.

It is true that sometimes LHO has the majority of the values. But it is also fairly likely that the points are roughly even (i.e. give LHO 14, partner 11, RHO 5) or even that we have a slight majority. And even when LHO does have a big balanced hand, opponents often have a nine card club fit and we often have a nine-card spade fit or two eight-card major fits, in which case they will typically do better to just bid their game rather than trying to penalize.

[kenrexford]

Double.

[the hog]

jdonn, on Sep 29 2008, 12:07 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 28 2008, 05:11 AM, said:

My partner could not find a bid over 1C? This is an incredibly easy pass. Bidders are result merchants methinks!

We are all very glad to see you came to learn today.

Today's lesson, obvious bids that everyone else but you sees. Tomorrow's lesson, result merchanting without knowing the result!

Ok so perhaps "result merchant" was not the correct lexicology. However I stand by my comment. Pd could not bid over 1C. My pd's overcall very aggressively, including on 4 card suits, as do most who post on this forum. If pd couldn't bid or double, (which he would do with most 12+ 4333 hands over 1C, we are not going very far. Lets see the full hand.

[Edmunte1]

I thought at the time i played the hand, it was an obvious double, due to the reasons Adam presented (considering opening a weak NT, and even if LHO has a big balanced hand, we should have often a 9 card fit or two 8 card fits).
Partner made a strange looking pass with ♠Jxx ♥Q9x ♦AQxx ♣Q10x, and comented that double was wishfull thinking.

[655321]

The_Hog, on Sep 29 2008, 03:06 AM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 29 2008, 12:07 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 28 2008, 05:11 AM, said:

My partner could not find a bid over 1C? This is an incredibly easy pass. Bidders are result merchants methinks!

We are all very glad to see you came to learn today.

Today's lesson, obvious bids that everyone else but you sees. Tomorrow's lesson, result merchanting without knowing the result!

Ok so perhaps "result merchant" was not the correct lexicology.

I am unconvinced that the usage of 'lexicology' here is entirely cromulent - perhaps it was intended to embiggen the response?

[the hog]

Well, there you go then:
1C, 1D, 2S and the H hook into the opening hand. Even then you have a deep H loser. And that is if S break nicely.

Might I remind you Josh Donn, that you are playing IMPs not MPs. You have a just make or a 1 off with decent breaks. This hand is just about the best that partner can hold as well, with any better, he would have overcalled or made a t/o double. If S break badly you are getting hit. This just reinforces my original comment. Have YOU come to learn too today, JDonn?

cromulent - first time I have heard this numeric one. The online dictionary defines it as slang. Is this correct?

[MFA]

I'd double and accept the risk of catching an unsuitable hand with partner. If he has something like 4-2 or 2-4 in the majors, he could be quite strong without having a bid over 1♣.

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Sep 29 2008, 06:23 AM, said:

Well, there you go then:
1C, 1D, 2S and the H hook into the opening hand. Even then you have a deep H loser. And that is if S break nicely.

Might I remind you Josh Donn, that you are playing IMPs not MPs. You have a just make or a 1 off with decent breaks. This hand is just about the best that partner can hold as well, with any better, he would have overcalled or made a t/o double. If S break badly you are getting hit. This just reinforces my original comment. Have YOU come to learn too today, JDonn?

I stand corrected! And there I was thinking double was a 100% action wait, we aren't even sure it didn't work? How are we supposed to be resulters if we only know the hand, not the result? This game is too hard for me, The Hog.

Weren't you going to tell me this result is not valid because partner has such an obvious 1♦ overcall?

[bill1157]

The problem here is that you should have opened 1 spade. In any case, double is right now, whether you are a passed hand or not.

Bill