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bid_em_up, on Sep 24 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

This hand is a full jump shift, no matter how you look at it.

In the passout seat after 1♦-(1♠)-p-p-?

You either double, then bid 3C over 2H or you make the jumpshift. To simply bid 2♣ is a major underbid.

As I stated earlier, my preference is double to allow for the possibility that partner has made a trap pass.

If this is not the hand everyone else is seeing, can someone please provide what they see instead?

I see a partner who could not scrape up a bid over a 1♠ overcall.
I see a doubleton spade (instead of a singleton) and a lot of HCP.
I deduce that partner's silence is because he is broke, not because he has half the pack, a bunch of spades and is eagerly waiting to defend 1♠X.
I see that unless partner has the unlikely trap pass, game is very unlikely.
I see that if partner does have a some values and club support in an ideal hand, something like xxx xxx Kx Axxxx, he can still raise 2♣.

Actually, I don't hate a reopening double (though I do hate a reopening 3♣ bid), but I prefer 2♣.

[jdonn]

bid_em_up, on Sep 24 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

Am I seeing the same hand and auction that everybody else does?

This is the hand I see:

♠xx ♥AK ♦AJ109x ♣KQJx.

This hand is a full jump shift, no matter how you look at it.

In the passout seat after 1♦-(1♠)-p-p-?

You either double, then bid 3C over 2H or you make the jumpshift. To simply bid 2♣ is a major underbid.

As I stated earlier, my preference is double to allow for the possibility that partner has made a trap pass.

If this is not the hand everyone else is seeing, can someone please provide what they see instead?

It's less a matter of what hand you see, and more a matter of what the bids show. A minimum 2254 hand will (should) just pass out 1♠, so why would a hand that is not worth a jump shift opposite a responding partner make one opposite a passing partner, when he is also on a higher minimum? It just makes no sense, at least not without extra shape.

[inquiry]

I also think double is wrong. I go with 2♣.

[the hog]

I think 2C is wrong. X for me and then pull 2H to 3C.

[TylerE]

Doh. Just realised it is A*K* of ♥, not Ax. Yea, X then 3[C], nearly wtp

[Codo]

2 ♣ maybe later double.

Fi pd has Phils magical AQTxx in spades he will or had bid NT.