[jchiu]

1N (2♦) 2♥

where 2♦ is at least 4-4 in the red suits.

[rogerclee]

I have hearts, partner. Please don't bid again.

[CSGibson]

I would play this as showing a heart stopper, but denying a diamond stopper, forcing.

edit: X would be both suits stopped, and penalty oriented as a result, and going through lebensohl would show only diamonds stopped for me. Have no idea how much of that is standard.

[the hog]

Long C and 4S

[jdonn]

Hearts of course.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Our agreements:

#1 we play unusal vs. unusal, in case they have shown
two suits, hence 2H would show a strong (inv.+) hand
with spades or clubs, depending on your version
#2 unusual is of, if the suit length of the suits shown, could
still be 4 cards.

From this would follow for us, that 2H is natural / nonforcing,
the nonforcing part because 2NT is Lebensohl.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[655321]

Natural, non-forcing...

Up until a minute ago, the poll was 100% (13 votes) for natural non-forcing, and I did think this had a chance of being a unanimous poll (not any more, sadly!).

[firmit]

sr - I thought OP was both majors....

[helene_t]

I think it's best to play some kind of unusual vs unusual here. Or Ron's agreement, that sounds pretty cool actually.

But without special agreements, it is to play.

[P_Marlowe]

firmit, on Sep 18 2008, 05:32 AM, said:

sr - I thought OP was both majors....

My advice: This should not have an impact
on the answer, you may well assume 2D showes
44, say, they play Cappelletti.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mcphee]

Without any special agreement this is "I wana play 2H" ty for your imput partner, amen. You hold KJxxxx of H and nothing else are you passing? Generally we play lebensohl, the fact RHO holds 4H does not mean they have all their marbles lined up and may be proud of Qxxx AJxxx because it "fits" the system. Dble 2D was more in line of a "sound raise to 2N" can stand to play for penalties, some play 100% penalty.

[pclayton]

Its hearts, but if 2♦ was normally 5-5, 2♥ should be a stopper.

[firmit]

P_Marlowe, on Sep 18 2008, 02:12 PM, said:

firmit, on Sep 18 2008, 05:32 AM, said:

sr - I thought OP was both majors....

My advice: This should not have an impact
on the answer, you may well assume 2D showes
44, say, they play Cappelletti.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I agree - but if dbl is take/out, as in "I think we got them" - the meaning will differ some when the president suit is not bid, no?

Is DBL not negative with spades inv+ in this position? And dbl after "2♦=majors", is simply take/out - or the same meaning as after 1m-(2m)-dbl - "I will penalty dbl one of their suits"?

Thus, I would think 2♥ is both minors, and 2♠ is 6 c minor suit, weak or strong. 3m could be invitational. And - dbl = spades

[P_Marlowe]

firmit, on Sep 25 2008, 05:59 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Sep 18 2008, 02:12 PM, said:

firmit, on Sep 18 2008, 05:32 AM, said:

sr - I thought OP was both majors....

My advice: This should not have an impact
on the answer, you may well assume 2D showes
44, say, they play Cappelletti.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I agree - but if dbl is take/out, as in "I think we got them" - the meaning will differ some when the president suit is not bid, no?

Is DBL not negative with spades inv+ in this position? And dbl after "2♦=majors", is simply take/out - or the same meaning as after 1m-(2m)-dbl - "I will penalty dbl one of their suits"?

Thus, I would think 2♥ is both minors, and 2♠ is 6 c minor suit, weak or strong. 3m could be invitational. And - dbl = spades

We play that the double of 2D showes a bal. hand with
roughly inv.+ values, say a natural 2NT bid or better,
which is looking for a penalty, subsequent doubles being
penalty.
A delayed double of 2M would be for t/o.

2H and 2S as natural to play, 2NT as Lebensohl

Playing this method you may miss a 4-4 fit, but not sure
that this will harm you a lot, trumps breaking 4-1 at best.
...................................................................................
We would play the double of 2H as t/o, the difference for us
is, that the 2D bid gives us another round, this add. round we
dont have after 2H.

With kind regards
Marlowe