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Double Trouble?

Poll: Is pass forcing, and what do you do? (46 member(s) have cast votes)

Is pass forcing, and what do you do?

  1. I pass (25 votes [54.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.35%

  2. Pass is NF; I double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Pass is NF; I bid 5H (17 votes [36.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.96%

  4. Pass is forcing; I double (3 votes [6.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.52%

  5. Pass is forcing; I bid 5H (1 votes [2.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.17%

  6. Why did I pass an obvious 2H preempt? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2008-September-20, 11:26

Scoring: IMP


We deal and start with a pass. Auction continues:

PA - 1♠ - X - PA
2♥ - 2♠ - 4♥ - PA
PA - 4♠ - PA - PA
????
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Posted 2008-September-20, 13:43

In my opinion:

Pass is not forcing. We could have absolutely nothing here for our 2H bid. Partner should have a good hand for his 4H bid, but if he wanted to force he could bid 3S then 4H.

Anyway, I'm going to pass. The 5 level doesn't belong to me. If I had longer (or shorter) spades I'd be happier with a 5H bid but it's quite likely that we have 2 top spade losers, and it'd be optimistic to expect 11 top tricks after that.
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Posted 2008-September-20, 19:21

Pass. Why would I want to bid on this hand?
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Posted 2008-September-21, 02:36

I normally play that if we have bid a game on power, pass is forcing. Partner could have cuebid 3♠ on the second bid, so 4♥ is not necessarily on power.
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Posted 2008-September-21, 03:32

5♥.

Pass is definitely non-forcing for me. Partner could have doubled 4♠ if he thought it was not making. And we certainly have no defense. So 4♠ will often make, and 5♥ might even make - certainly it won't go many down.
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Posted 2008-September-21, 04:23

Agree with the number guy above, though it's certainly a risky business to bid 5♥ here.
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Posted 2008-September-21, 05:27

Pass is NF. Pass wtp?
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Posted 2008-September-21, 09:47

Pass is nf, I bid 5♥ since either contract could easily be making.
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Posted 2008-September-21, 09:52

agree with 655321
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Posted 2008-September-21, 11:10

jdonn, on Sep 21 2008, 07:47 AM, said:

Pass is nf, I bid 5♥ since either contract could easily be making.

And if that were the case, pard would have done something over 4♠. Really, what do we have that makes 5♥ a good bet? I have one card and the 5th heart is nice, but I'll bet you pard has at 5 or more hearts a majority of the time, so its not that big of an asset.

Obvious that pass is NF.
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Posted 2008-September-21, 11:53

pclayton, on Sep 21 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 21 2008, 07:47 AM, said:

Pass is nf, I bid 5♥ since either contract could easily be making.

And if that were the case, pard would have done something over 4♠. Really, what do we have that makes 5♥ a good bet? I have one card and the 5th heart is nice, but I'll bet you pard has at 5 or more hearts a majority of the time, so its not that big of an asset.

Obvious that pass is NF.

So you want to defend 4♠ when partner can't double it and you think you have a 10 card heart fit?
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Posted 2008-September-21, 12:42

jdonn, on Sep 21 2008, 09:53 AM, said:

pclayton, on Sep 21 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 21 2008, 07:47 AM, said:

Pass is nf, I bid 5♥ since either contract could easily be making.

And if that were the case, pard would have done something over 4♠. Really, what do we have that makes 5♥ a good bet? I have one card and the 5th heart is nice, but I'll bet you pard has at 5 or more hearts a majority of the time, so its not that big of an asset.

Obvious that pass is NF.

So you want to defend 4♠ when partner can't double it and you think you have a 10 card heart fit?

So pard is supposed to double 4♠ when he might have four tricks?

All a 10 card fit gives us is comfort that 5♥ won't be a debacle.
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Posted 2008-September-21, 13:50

I thought it was a good thing that 5♥ won't be a disaster, I didn't realize it was a reason to defend 4♠!
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Posted 2008-September-21, 14:50

Pass. Partner made them guess, and there's no particular reason to believe that they've guessed correctly.
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Posted 2008-September-23, 13:28

Partner held:

♠Axx
♥AQJTxx
♦Kx
♣AJ

Declarer had a heart void, and 4♠ was making. 5♥ goes down one (losing a spade and one in each minor). Perhaps partner should have bid 5♥ here (or bid 3♠ earlier) but I thought this was still an interesting problem from my side of the table.
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Posted 2008-September-23, 15:05

There is something very odd about the auction. LHO bid 2 nonforcing spades after my 2♥ call, and then 4♠ over my partner's 4♥ call (which was obviously bid to make).

The failure of my partner to cue bid doesn't mean he isn't bidding 4♥ on power. It just means he has no slam ambitions.

I don't think that my partner's pass over 4♠ is forcing, per se. But I cannot conceive of any hand with any cards at all on which I would pass out 4♠. This hand has an extra heart, so I will bid 5♥. If I had a non-heart honor card and a balanced hand I would double. If I had a flat zero count I would pass.
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