[ArcLight]

Unfavorable, IMPS you deal with:

Scoring: IMP

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You open the systemic bid of 1 Club (agree?)

Bidding goes

1♣ (1♥) pass 1♠
??? - what do you bid?


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On a different hand, IMPS, You are vulnerable, opps not.

Pard opens 1 Club (SAYC), RHO Overcalls 1 Heart.

What do you bid with:

S: J x
H: K J T 9 4
D: Q 9 6
C: T 8 7

1NT? Pass? Other?
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[ochinko]

1. Pass. This is very easy, and I'm happy to defend anything opps decide to play, because if they don't have a fit partner is behind the ♥ bidder with long hearts, and I am behind the ♠ bidder with my long ♠.

If I decide to bid 1NT here, I don't see how I could make more than 4 tricks, given that partner is broke. Not all my partners agree, but it is always better your opps to go down instead of you

The most important principle of competitive bidding at the part score level is that you compete with distribution, not with strength. With extra strength you either pass or double, but it is far too early here to double for penalties.

2. Again I would pass, but many will bid 1NT, which is not necessarily wrong in these vulns.

[andy_h]

ArcLight, on Sep 17 2008, 11:09 PM, said:

You open the systemic bid of 1 Club (agree?)

heheh how can we not agree if it's systemic

Anyway, I would bid 1NT on the first hand. Partner may not be entirely broke as he might be stuck for a bid. Something as little as ♣Qxxx and 7 tricks looks easy. 2nd choice would be a pass.

On the 2nd hand, my hand looks like it's all about hearts and defense so I will happily pass.

[vuroth]

At the table, I would bid 1NT on the first, but I would have no confidence that it's the right bid.

The second is very close between 1NT and pass, but I think I'd bid 1NT. Change the tens and nines for threes and twos and I'd likely pass.

[jdonn]

1. 1NT
2. Easy pass, defend them at any vul. Who says you make game? Besides people bid on such crappier hands at this vul, so you just get them for more anyway.

[skjaeran]

1. 1NT.
2. Easy pass. Want to defend 1♥x here.

[kenrexford]

1NT
Pass

[pclayton]

1N and Pass.

On the 1st, pard could have many hand types that could not bid over 1♥. I really don't want pard to have a problem looking at long diamonds and a 2♥ call on his right.

On the 2nd I'm supposed to bid 1N with zero trick source and nothing but a heart stopper? No thanks.

[ArcLight]

This is what happned IMPS, Unfavorable

Scoring: IMP

1♣ (1♥) PASS 1 ♠ ,

PASS, 1NT? PASS 2♠

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How should the hand have been bid?

I was Opener and was criticized for not bidding 1NT over 1S.
I see no entry to dummy for any spade finesses and no source of tricks.

I think the opps bidding of 1NT over 1H was silly, and bidding 2S assured them of going down.
Should I have Xed? I dont think so.

3NT was making our way.


Pard kept yapping I should have bid 1NT, all the way to 2 hands later.
LHO was gloating (a real prick).

How should this have gone?

[TimG]

ArcLight, on Sep 17 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

Pard kept yapping I should have bid 1NT, all the way to 2 hands later. LHO was gloating (a real prick).

You need a new partner. Rude opponents are one thing, a rude partner is another entirely.

[TimG]

pclayton, on Sep 17 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

On the 1st, pard could have many hand types that could not bid over 1♥. I really don't want pard to have a problem looking at long diamonds and a 2♥ call on his right.

Wouldn't 1♣-(1♥)-P-(1♠); P-(2♥)-P-(P); DBL be for takeout?

It may be reasonable to worry about partner being stuck and not being able to handle the auction if you don't bid 1NT over 1♠, but a 2♥ rebid by intervenor doesn't seem to be one of the problems.

While I'm making sure my understanding of the standard treatment of doubles is OK, this double:

1♣-(1♥)-P-(1♠); P-(1N)-P-(2♠); DBL

would be penalty, wouldn't it?

[mikeh]

I sympathize with passing 1♠, but I think that it is scared bridge. Partner can pull 1N to 2 minor if that is his hand-type, and in the meantime, you rate to get a spade lead, unless LHO has solid hearts, and partner may kick in something useful.

On the 2nd problem, even knowing that they are related, I pass 1♥.

As for what happened to you at the table, I really think that you have one of the world's easiest doubles of 2♠. You hold 3 trump tricks, you have short enough hearts that you rate to score the Ace, and you have an easy lead of the club AK. While this is highly penalty oriented, partner will pull with, say, x xxxx xx Jxxxxx, even assuming that he wouldn't have made a preemptive club raise earlier.

This may not have been much consolation against your vulnerable 3N, but it would have had the effect of minimizing some of the gloating (and yapping by partner as well)

[pclayton]

TimG, on Sep 17 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

While I'm making sure my understanding of the standard treatment of doubles is OK, this double:

1♣-(1♥)-P-(1♠); P-(1N)-P-(2♠); DBL

would be penalty, wouldn't it?

Yes

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Wouldn't 1♣-(1♥)-P-(1♠); P-(2♥)-P-(P); DBL be for takeout?

Yes

[ArcLight]

I agree with what MikeH said.

question -
Once LHO rebid 1NT, shouldn't pard have made a penalty double with his hand?

[TimG]

ArcLight, on Sep 17 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

question -
Once LHO rebid 1NT, shouldn't pard have made a penalty double with his hand?

I don't think he's quite good enough, partner would have still had an opening bid without the ♠Q and ♥A, for instance.