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Posted 2008-September-11, 15:24

Thought this was kind of a cool hand:



East is in 6H. Play or defend?
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Posted 2008-September-11, 15:37

Jlall, on Sep 11 2008, 09:24 PM, said:

Thought this was kind of a cool hand:



East is in 6H. Play or defend?

What I think is the right answer is hidden below.

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Agree - cool hand :lol:

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Posted 2008-September-11, 15:43

fred, on Sep 11 2008, 01:37 PM, said:

So unless I am missing something...

Not to give anything away with the rest of your answer, East is declaring.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 15:44

fred, on Sep 11 2008, 04:37 PM, said:

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Posted 2008-September-11, 15:49

I somehow got my directions mixed up and thought North was on opening lead.

Trying again...

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I think that is right :lol:

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Posted 2008-September-11, 17:52

yep, I think it is neat that you can still rectify the count on a club lead.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 18:33

Jlall, on Sep 11 2008, 04:24 PM, said:

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Thought This was kind of a cool hand.
East is in 6H. Play or defend?

In a way, it is a pity that double-dummy programs are so good. I used to struggle for ages with such problems. Often, Hugh Darwen's problems defeated all but a handful of people. Double dummy programs now reveal that many of George Coffin's and Hugh Darwen's problems had flaws undetected by humans .

6N by East needs a slightly more precise defence.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 18:36

Noteworthy that 6 by West is cold (as Fred pointed out).

Nice hand - keep em' coming.
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Posted 2008-September-11, 18:58

nige1, on Sep 12 2008, 12:33 AM, said:

In a way, it is a pity that double-dummy programs are so good. I used to struggle for ages with such problems.

Are you saying you now tend to give up and ask a program thereby ruining the satisfaction that comes from eventually figuring it out for yourself?

If yes, I don't think you can blame that on the existence of these programs :lol:

I do think these fast double dummy solving programs are amazing, but I also think that today's bridge students often develop bad habits by letting these programs do the "thinking" for them. Having the discipline and the developing analytical ability to figure out these problems in your head will make a positive difference to your results at the table IMO.

For me one interesting consequences of double dummy programs is the large number of bridge journalists these days who are capable of writing accurately about really complicated hands. It used to be that those journalists who could do this were few and far between (and assuming you are right about Darwen and Coffin, apparently they were fewer and further between than I had thought!).

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Posted 2008-September-11, 20:45

FWIW this hand was played in a cayne match. South made the interesting lead of a trump after his partner had bid clubs, I thought that was quite thoughtful and not a lead I would have found. On this hand it made it easier to make though, but declarer went for QJ of diamonds onside anyways. My train of thought was oh, they would go down on a club lead...but wait it can still be made...but wait a diamond lead screws up the entries... Didn't get as far as it being cold by west but that is a cool twist also.
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Posted 2008-September-12, 04:39

Scoring: IMP

Bridgify, a super double dummy program, shows that small changes allow 6 or 6N by South to make.

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