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Forcing or not?

Poll: What is 'standard'? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

What is 'standard'?

  1. Yes, forcing (7 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. No, not forcing (21 votes [75.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

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Posted 2008-September-09, 19:34

(1♣) - 1♦ - (pass) - 1♠,
(2♣) - pass - (pass) - 2♥!

1♠ was forcing for one round, a cuebid at that point would have been a good ♦-raise.
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Posted 2008-September-09, 19:37

Interesting. What's dbl here, given there's only 1 unbid suit? Penalty-oriented/values? If so, then 2♥ is nat, forcing. If X is takeout, then you can make a case for 2♥ NF.
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Posted 2008-September-09, 19:38

seems clearly NF, but........

why would you need it forcing if overcaller is kinda broke and there's a cue available?
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Posted 2008-September-09, 19:39

effervesce, on Sep 9 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

Interesting. What's dbl here, given there's only 1 unbid suit? Penalty-oriented/values? If so, then 2♥ is nat, forcing. If X is takeout, then you can make a case for 2♥ NF.

X is take-out in the balancing seat.
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Posted 2008-September-09, 20:15

NF
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-10, 01:33

I would expect this to be parallel with:

1♦ - (pass) - 1♠ - (2♣)
pass - (pass) - 2♥

As I play that as non-forcing, I would also play the sequence in question as non-forcing.

Forcing hands start with a double.
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Posted 2008-September-10, 04:04

No way is this forcing
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Posted 2008-September-10, 04:09

OleBerg's auction may be debatable (I would vote for NF though) but the OP auction is obviously NF. It can't be right that we need constructive values in balancing seat to take out opps' 2♣.
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Posted 2008-September-10, 12:44

With both a t/o double and cuebid available, this should be non-forcing.
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