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Posted 2008-September-05, 21:11

Scoring: IMP

1S - (p) - ??

Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-05, 21:36

I saw the hand, so my answer might be a bit skewed.

I feel like i need to game-force this hand, but unless I play two tiered splinters there is no perfect call. I'd probably settle for Jacoby. 4 tricks in hearts are too much to just invite imo.
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Posted 2008-September-05, 21:45

I will try a Bergen raise of 4D

5 trumps, less than ten hcp with 1. to 1.5 outside quick tricks.

Granted this hand may be a bit too good...

second choice 2nt as a strong spade raise.
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Posted 2008-September-05, 21:49

I bid 3N showing a club splinter with 5 trumps but minimal values.

Wait we don't play that? I would just bid 4S.
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Posted 2008-September-05, 22:12

why not just blast to 4?dont think we wud miss slam.Or is 4♠ weaker than the given hand?
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Posted 2008-September-05, 22:56

Wow, but the analysis so far seems wildly backwards.

This hand should be analyzed as a "dummy reversal" hand. I would not even think of any analysis of how many tricks I have for partner's spades. I would think about how many cover cards partner is expected to have for my spades.

This is a very pure 6-loser hand. I need, therefore, three covers from partner, and I could easily survive only two (the spade King could be on hook). This seems so obvious a game force that nothing else is even remotely worthy of consideration.

The question, however, is how to force game. Bidding 2♥ has the obvious risk of partner raising hearts, where getting back to spades is difficult at best. Plus, I won't get the information I need to make good decisions, and this is likely to be a Responder Captaincy hand undoubtedly.

Any kind of splinter seems way off base.

I'm not all that concerned about slam bidding, because I probably need partner to have a pure controls hand, with about 18-19 primed, as a stiff diamond seems unlikely. So, it seems that I may want to force game in a very minimal way, trusting that partner cannot stand it with 18-19 primed out.

So, I think I also will make an unusual-for-me 2NT call. "Unusual" because this hand violates almost every principle I have for when to bid Jacoby 2NT. But, partner will know that I cannot have the classic hand (Aces and spaces) whenever he can accept and will expect something weird.

So, 2NT, followed by a signoff no matter what partner bids. I'll trust partner to move if it is right.
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Posted 2008-September-05, 23:12

Not 2♣ Ken?
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Posted 2008-September-06, 00:38

Obvious fit jump if we play those.

I don't really like a splinter, but it might be my choice as we play them limited (about 10-12 in high cards and thus game values in strength).

I don't really like 2♥ as we will get too high often.

3NT if played as a raise to 4♠ with an outside A/K would be alright.

So finally, if we don't play fit jumps, limited splinters, or good 4M preempts, I will simply bid 4♠. :)
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Posted 2008-September-06, 02:24

4♣. It's about right on values. If partner cues 4 diamonds, I will cue 4 hearts, and respect partner's sign-off in 4 spades
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Posted 2008-September-06, 04:01

4C.

After a cue from partner, I will bid 4S,
I showed my hand, and 4H after 4D would
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Posted 2008-September-06, 05:12

I would bid 4♣, the values are ok. Would prefer to show the hearts though.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 05:50

I would pass, with short spades they will always reopen and then I will be better placed.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 09:48

Right.

I passed, LHO doubled, partner redoubled and LHO bid 2C. Your call?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-06, 10:05

jdonn, on Sep 6 2008, 12:12 AM, said:

Not 2♣ Ken?

Thought about it.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 11:51

Pass didn't occur to me, but it seems to have worked out well. Over 2♣, I will bid 2♥. Then after they raise in clubs, I can jump to 4♠ and have given a great picture of my hand. Partner will know whether to go to slam, or what to do over 5♣.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 11:52

cherdano, on Sep 6 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

Pass didn't occur to me, but it seems to have worked out well. Over 2♣, I will bid 2♥. Then after they raise in clubs, I can jump to 4♠ and have given a great picture of my hand. Partner will know whether to go to slam, or what to do over 4♣.

That's exactly what happened at the table. We landed in 4S, great spot.
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Posted 2008-September-06, 12:11

han, on Sep 6 2008, 07:52 PM, said:

cherdano, on Sep 6 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

Pass didn't occur to me, but it seems to have worked out well. Over 2♣, I will bid 2♥. Then after they raise in clubs, I can jump to 4♠ and have given a great picture of my hand. Partner will know whether to go to slam, or what to do over 4♣.

That's exactly what happened at the table. We landed in 4S, great spot.

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Posted 2008-September-06, 12:39

han, on Sep 6 2008, 06:48 PM, said:

Right.

I passed, LHO doubled, partner redoubled and LHO bid 2C. Your call?

it didn't occur to me that Pass is possible, but now that I did, I bid 2♠, then allow opps to "push" me to 3, 4, even 5♠ until I eventually get doubled. Risky, but why else would I pass initially?
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Posted 2008-September-06, 13:16

OleBerg, on Sep 6 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

han, on Sep 6 2008, 07:52 PM, said:

cherdano, on Sep 6 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

Pass didn't occur to me, but it seems to have worked out well. Over 2♣, I will bid 2♥. Then after they raise in clubs, I can jump to 4♠ and have given a great picture of my hand. Partner will know whether to go to slam, or what to do over 4♣.

That's exactly what happened at the table. We landed in 4S, great spot.

R U on drugs or R U pulling Kenrexfords leg?

Don't know what Ken has to do with this but I was joking, I assume so were some others.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-06, 13:45

2♥

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