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#1 User is offline   xcurt 

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Posted 2008-September-03, 21:00

Scoring: XIMP


RHO You LHO CHO
Pass - Pass - 3 - 3
Pass - 4 - Pass - 4
Pass - Pass 5 - Dble
Pass - ?

a: agree with not opening this hand some number of spades?
b: agree with 4 or something else (what?)
c: agree with passing 4?
d: what now?
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Posted 2008-September-04, 01:30

#a No
#b No, 4H
#c Sure, 4D already showed my hand to the full limit,
if you think 4D was ok
#d you pay the price for 4D, but I guess I would bid 5H
anyway, I would have as well, if I had raised directly
to 4, you dont want to defend, of course if both
contracts are down, partner wont be happy.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: (Added later) I missed the fact, that the preemptor
raised himself, quite often: what I cant believe, I dont see.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 02:12

Yes, yes, yes and pass. I'm not ashamed of my hand for either offensive or defensive purposes.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-September-04, 06:57

A: I would not elect to open this hand
B: I think 4D is a bit pushy, after all partner made simple o/c and did not bid 4H showing a better hand.
C: Having made this cue bid I have more than said it all.
D: Now I have a mess with a rather unsuitable defensive hand and regret my 4D bid. At these colors I am passing partners dble, to me an instruction to stop bidding (pass would have been F), my QC may even help.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 07:57

A. Not opening this hand seems obvious. Bad suit, 2 first round controls.
B. 4 would be an UNDERBID (note capital letters), so yes I'm bidding 4
C. I pass, after all this tells me that partner is bound to have something in as well.
D. Confirms my suspicion about partner's holding. Pass.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 09:43

1. Agree with the pass. Bo loves to preempt, but the suit sucks, this is a great dummy for hearts (see OP).

2. Agree with 4. Pard will show a minimum with a fast 4, extras by bidding a slow 4 and an awkward maximum with an agonizing 4.

3. Pass is obvious.

4. Pass. Another, 'preemptor raises himself' auction which happen all the time on the forums but never IRL. Its a good thing we showed all this extra defense with our 4 bid, JIC LHO decided to take another call :blink:. OK RHO didn't raise diamonds, so pard has HTxx. WD us.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 10:14

yes, yes, yes and pass
Happy to play against such an insane opponent as LHO, this auction doesn't exist in my world. Expect partner to have HTxx in diamonds and that we're about to enter a ZIP-number in our column on the score sheet.
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Posted 2008-September-04, 15:26

Whenever this auction happens to me, dummy always hits with honour 3rd in trumps, an ace and a singleton.
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Posted 2008-September-05, 10:51

I bid as shown and passed 5x. Unfortunately my LHO was sandbagging...

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Posted 2008-September-05, 11:43

xcurt, on Sep 5 2008, 08:51 AM, said:

I bid as shown and passed 5x. Unfortunately my LHO was sandbagging...

And that your partner didn't have a double of 5!
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Posted 2008-September-05, 12:37

Double of 5D is crazy, pass would be forcing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-05, 14:52

han, on Sep 5 2008, 01:37 PM, said:

Double of 5D is crazy, pass would be forcing.

Hi,

yes, and because of this, I think double is ok,
not only ok, but the only bid, because you dont
want partner to bid 5H given your bal. shape.
The hand has only defenceive values no offensive
ones, besides AK in clubs.

And of course the double would be ok, if the 4D
bid would have contained defencive values, which
it does not have.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2008-September-05, 15:29

P_Marlowe, on Sep 5 2008, 12:52 PM, said:

han, on Sep 5 2008, 01:37 PM, said:

Double of 5D is crazy, pass would be forcing.

Hi,

yes, and because of this, I think double is ok,
not only ok, but the only bid, because you dont
want partner to bid 5H given your bal. shape.

Its not your balanced shape that makes pass correct, its the lack of diamond wastage.
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Posted 2008-September-07, 23:24

Echognome, on Sep 5 2008, 05:43 PM, said:

xcurt, on Sep 5 2008, 08:51 AM, said:

I bid as shown and passed 5x.  Unfortunately my LHO was sandbagging...

And that your partner didn't have a double of 5!

He had a double, only that it was described by spite
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Posted 2008-September-09, 12:23

han, on Sep 5 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

Double of 5D is crazy, pass would be forcing.

Agree, and pass is 100% obvious with xxx.
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Posted 2008-September-15, 11:05

xcurt, on Sep 3 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

Dealer: East
Vul: None
Scoring: XIMP
A8xxxxx
7xxx
 
Qx
RHO  You  LHO  CHO
Pass - Pass - 3 - 3
Pass - 4 - Pass - 4
Pass - Pass 5 - Dble
Pass - ?
a: agree with not opening this hand some number of spades?
b: agree with 4 or something else (what?)
c: agree with passing 4?
d: what now?
IMO
  • As Opener, 3 = 10, _P = 9.
  • Over 3, 4 = 10, 4 = 6.
  • Agree with passing 4.
  • Over 5X, P = 10, 5 = 9.

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