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#1 User is online   mike777 

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Posted 2008-September-02, 10:56

"IMPs........VUL versus NV

Ax,KQJx,Axx,Jxxx.

LHO to deal............Pass-----Pass-----4D to you.

Please give a short answer. There is no RIGHT OR WRONG answer.

Succinctly discuss your decision if you wish."
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Posted 2008-September-02, 11:02

mike777, on Sep 2 2008, 11:56 AM, said:

There is no RIGHT OR WRONG answer.

I disagree. I claim that anything but pass is wrong.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 11:08

I vote pass as well.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 11:09

Pass.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 11:40

Pass but 4♥ could be right. Double I agree is wrong.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 11:54

Pass.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 11:55

Pass is RIGHT.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 12:01

Yeah come on, of course pass is right.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-02, 12:04

Maybe he meant to make the jack of clubs into the ace of clubs or something like that, so it's a more interesting problem.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 12:05

Another reason why pass is rational, is if pard has a 4=4=1=4 10 count (which is one of the hands we are worried about); he's still in there.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 12:48

Turn a small diam into a small spad... then is it dbl?

Turn a small card into another ace, then what?
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Posted 2008-September-02, 13:11

SoTired, on Sep 2 2008, 10:48 AM, said:

Turn a small diam into a small spad...  then is it dbl?


Axx KQJx Ax Jxxx?

Not quite - for me anyway.

SoTired, on Sep 2 2008, 10:48 AM, said:

Turn a small card into another ace, then what?


Ax AKQJ Axx Jxxx?

I'll re-pimp 4♥ here.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 13:56

Pass.

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Posted 2008-September-02, 22:41

seems like an easy pass
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Posted 2008-September-02, 23:37

Pass. Also Josh will call me the semantics police but there is always a right or a wrong bid, we just have no idea what it is or how to solve it.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 23:42

Jlall, on Sep 3 2008, 12:37 AM, said:

Pass. Also Josh will call me the semantics police but there is always a right or a wrong bid, we just have no idea what it is or how to solve it.

That's not semantics lol it's just picky.
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Posted 2008-September-03, 02:19

Jlall, on Sep 2 2008, 11:37 PM, said:

Pass. Also Josh will call me the semantics police but there is always a right or a wrong bid, we just have no idea what it is or how to solve it.

There is always a right strategy, but we don't know whether it is pure or mixed.

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Posted 2008-September-03, 02:55

Pass, I believed the problem more interesting.

The only alterntaive being X, which is t/o, you dont
want to hear 4S followed by X.

If I would be younger and / or more enterprising,
and if the Ace of diamonds is the Ace of clubs, you
may try to experiment with 4H, ... nothing for me,
I suspect, you also need a understanding partner.

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Posted 2008-September-03, 03:14

Of course as usual or always semantics matter. It is silly to say semantics do not matter, esp in bridge but really in all things in real life. Semantics matter....

To complain something is just semantics...just means it is a matter of communication or the meaning of words....of very important. and subject to much error and debate.....:)

this hand was a big discussion between takeout doubles and optional doubles. SEMANTICS


I agree in this case pass seems easy but that semantics do matter as usual......


Semantics is the study of meaning in communication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics
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Posted 2008-September-03, 03:19

mike777, on Sep 3 2008, 04:14 AM, said:

Of course as usual or always semantics matter. It is silly to say semantics do not matter, esp in bridge but really in all things in real life. Semantics matter....

this hand was a big  discussion between takeout doubles and optional doubles.    SEMANTICS


I agree in this case pass seems easy but that semantics do matter as usual......

If you have the agreement, that you play optional doubles
in this situation, than you have this agreement.
But my guess is, that this would be a fairly non standard
agreement to have.

So it has nothing to do wth SEMANTICS, but with partnership
agreements.
I think time showed, that the most effective way to deal
with high level preempt openings is to use double for t/o,
... maybe with the exception after a 4S opening.

As it is, your partner is still there, and will get another chance,
although it is unlikely that he may act.
Most likely he should, in case he is short in diamonds and holds
approx. 8/9 HCP, because the 4D bid wont be made on opening
strength, which could have been the case, if the opening was 3D,
which means the risk that we get to hear a penalty double from
the 4D bidder is low / non existing.

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