[mike777]

I strongly disagree with bidding one D for the lead if you agree to play Walsh. If you want to play a system/style for the lead fair enough but if you agree to play Walsh play it. This spade suit is just fine to bid under Walsh.



1c=(x)=1d=p
1s=p=2s now shows a huge hand if you play game force style Walsh which I do.
You do not need to start with xx with all game force hands. This can really cause problems.

Also if you play Walsh and have nongame force hands you can lose the spade suit.

[jtfanclub]

skaeran, on Sep 1 2008, 03:00 PM, said:

han, on Sep 1 2008, 07:50 PM, said:

That's a 1H bid at higher levels as well.

Yes, even more so at higher levels.

My apologies to you, Han, and everyone else. I was misinformed.

[pclayton]

I normally like spades first with this strength, but I want a diamond lead so bad. If LHO bids 1♥, pard can bid 1♠. If LHO bids 2♥, then I can make a TOx with these clubs.

If I were 4351, I think this is tougher.

[andy_h]

Depends what responding style you play. Playing walsh, I will bid 1S.

[jdeegan]

Thx for the opinions. imho 'Walsh', the treatment, is so much do doux - although the Walsh's are both fine players. If you have one bid in the hand, you bid the major. With more, say 10+HCP or some shape, you bid one ♦. I ended up bidding one♠, but the idea that I wanted a ♦ lead was soooooooo... tempting that, thanks to the panel, I will bid one ♦ next time. Godspeed.

[jdeegan]

I didn't see any discussion about the fact that the opponents own the heart suit. Maybe with a 4-1 split. Also, the HCP figure to be split about 50-50. Is a 1♠ bid a useful preempt, or just the bid needed for LHO to show his/her values? Lottsa issues. If I had the ♦ jack, a 1♦ call would be easier.

[cherdano]

Gerben42, on Sep 1 2008, 05:47 AM, said:

1♠, followed by 2♦ if opponents run to 2♣.

You misread the auction.

[mike777]

I repeat if you play Walsh ..easy one spade bid.

If you hate or do not play walsh...easy 1d bid....
The bad point of walsh is you bid spades with great diamonds...if you hate it..do not play it....


I hate changing systems in middle of hand.

[cherdano]

Jlall, on Sep 3 2008, 12:00 AM, said:

Interesting, I thought 1S was the normal bid. I bid diamonds more than most people, but I'm definitely tempted by 1S to preempt lefty out of hearts and also make sure we can compete over hearts (spades is much more likely to be effective than diamonds). Not sure what I'd do at the table.

I think the preemption is irrelevant. If LHO can't bid over 1S, then he will only bid 1H over 1D. Takeout doubler won't raise is more than to 2H, usually, and I am willing to bid 2S over 2H (yes it's an overbid, but it describes my shape). I guess if we aren't willing to bid 2S over 2H we should bid 1S.

[cherdano]

Walsh does not have anything to do with this, in a competitive auction you should be allowed to bid the suit that will work best to preempt opponents/win the partscore/describe you shape, whatever you think is the most important factor given your hand.

[benlessard]

1S here. Do you think you will get a good MP score defending a non vul 2H even if partner lead diamonds ? Me i rarely get good MP result by selling out in 2H in a cozy 4-4 fit.

First option is to bid 1D and double 2H later, but that is out because its likely partner going to pass the double and if he pull he will play us for 3154/3163

2nd option is to pass and double 1H or 2H later, partner will not play us for values. But that doesnt help partner find the D lead & it doesnt help him to double 3H if they compete too hard. + in the unlikely case that hes got a monster passing will not lead us to game.

3rd option is to bid 1S. It will gear us toward 2S. If they compete too hard partner will find a double. It might stop LHO from bidding 2H if he is broke.