[kgr]

You are dealer and bidding starts:
1H-(1S)-2C-(2S)
(2C by you partner was forcing.)
MP's: Dou you need extra's to bid 3H now?
What dou you call with:

Scoring: MP

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[mike777]

Pass
I need alot more to bid 3h, not close.

[Cascade]

I would bid 3♥ here with almost any six-card suit.

[benlessard]

At MP you need a way to compete without showing extras values otherwise you are going to lose the partscores battles. On this hand for example if you pass do you expect partner to X with minimum (or subminimum) values and lenght in spades ?

IMO no expert player will pass on 2S. Even in IMPs i think 3C is a much better bid then pass. At MP 3H or 2Nt bad is clearcut

[han]

Pass is out of the question.

[the hog]

Good grief, you can't possibly pass 2S with this. This is a 3H bid.

[skjaeran]

I'm never passing 2♠ with this - that's out of the question.

Without any gadgets, it's a clear 3♥.

Playing Good-Bad 2NT, it's close between 2NT (bad) and 3♥. Singleton ♠, good trumps and the queen in partners suit would most probably make me chose the stronger (inv) 3♥ bid.

[benlessard]

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would most probably make me chose the stronger (inv) 3♥ bid

Maybe im wrong but i think the stronger bid is forcing, especially here since partner showned 10+ pts.

[cherdano]

Cascade, on Sep 1 2008, 06:04 PM, said:

I would bid 3♥ here with almost any six-card suit.

I would pass 2S with no extras, 4 good spades, 6 bad hearts and a singleton club.
(That is another way of saying I agree with Wayne.)

[helene_t]

Silly question: is 3♥ forcing? If it does not show extras, won't you have to cuebid with a lot of hands that are just vaguely sub-minimum?

[P_Marlowe]

3H.

To answer your question: 3H does not promise extras,
just a reason to bid, a good 6 card suit, Qx in partners
suit are reason enough.

You may not play it, but pass by opener should be forcing,
at least in my eyes, hence direct bidding does not promise
anything additional.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

helene_t, on Sep 2 2008, 02:05 AM, said:

Silly question: is 3♥ forcing? If it does not show extras, won't you have to cuebid with a lot of hands that are just vaguely sub-minimum?

Without special agreements 3H is non forcing.

Depending on your agreements, 2NT can be played
as Lebensohl / Good-Bad.
And of course you may (or may not) play pass over
2S as forcing.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gnasher]

benlessard, on Sep 2 2008, 07:50 AM, said:

Maybe im wrong but i think the stronger bid is forcing, especially here since partner showned 10+ pts.

If you want to distinguish between a forcing and a non-forcing 3♥ bid, shouldn't you be playing transfers rather than good-bad 2NT? Good-bad only makes sense when you need to distinguish between two non-forcing bids.

[gnasher]

helene_t, on Sep 2 2008, 08:05 AM, said:

Silly question: is 3♥ forcing? If it does not show extras, won't you have to cuebid with a lot of hands that are just vaguely sub-minimum?

With a 1-suited heart hand that is too strong for 3[HE} and not suitable for 4[he], you make a forcing pass if one is available. If pass isn't forcing, you make a takeout double.

If you don't play pass as forcing and don't play double as takeout, now you know why you should.

[benlessard]

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If you want to distinguish between a forcing and a non-forcing 3♥ bid, shouldn't you be playing transfers rather than good-bad 2NT? Good-bad only makes sense when you need to distinguish between two non-forcing bids.

Yep your are right transfers are probably a superior method here (we are playing transfers lebensohl almost in all sequences like these)

One thing is sure is that here you dont need 2 type of NF hands (invite+comp) but you need forcing and competitive. This is because partner show extra values.

The 2nd thing im sure is that old school players will treat 3H as forcing because the 2C promise another bid. Nowadays however with 2C often close to a negative free bid (9 count) i dont think it promise another bid.

[jdoe11]

You have extra values. Obvious 3H